I've used Humulin R while bulking, using GH, and AAS and I feel it really helped. I started w/2IU in am, 2IU pre and post workout. I bumped to 8IU for the day and just didn't feel right. I stuck with 6IU/day. I also ALWAYS had a candy bar, or simple carbs w/me because more than once I got sweaty/shaky/ and needed carbs right away. Like everyone else says...BE CAREFUL
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nuttinbutapeanut
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You won't find any studies because it's simply not true. Pro's and national level bodybuilders have been using slin since the days of Tim Belknap (diabetic since a child) and Rich Gaspari. You almost never run into diabetic bodybuilders and I've certainly never met one that said he did slin and now is insulin dependant for life? I even read an article that explains why this can't happen............would be a miracle for me to find it since it's been so long.
The most dangerous thing that I'm not sure if it's been mentioned is READING THE SLIN PIN WRONG. Guy's will shoot half a slin pin and find out it's 50 iu's instead of 5. Be prepared to park yourself in front of the fridge, because you'll be eating everything and anything for the next 4 hours.
mr&mrsbuff
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How much to take
In my experince I start with 5 to 6 and move up to 12 to 14. With that said I am lucky enough to work closely with a doctor who is very bodybuilding freindy, plus I weight 240 lbs.
I personally dont like the stuff, you really need to have your act together. I have to take carb drinks and quick acting sugar snacks with me everywhere I go. Unless your competeing or live bodybuilding and dont have a life, dont bother. You can still get big on regular gear. The only reason I'm going to do it again is becuase I need to requalify for nationals and I not only want to win my class, but the overall.
But if you insist, do it right, not allot of room for mistakes..
Good luck
In my experince I start with 5 to 6 and move up to 12 to 14. With that said I am lucky enough to work closely with a doctor who is very bodybuilding freindy, plus I weight 240 lbs.
I personally dont like the stuff, you really need to have your act together. I have to take carb drinks and quick acting sugar snacks with me everywhere I go. Unless your competeing or live bodybuilding and dont have a life, dont bother. You can still get big on regular gear. The only reason I'm going to do it again is becuase I need to requalify for nationals and I not only want to win my class, but the overall.
But if you insist, do it right, not allot of room for mistakes..
Good luck
westside25
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But how can it be false? Maybe you have to use it longer than just a year? Ive read on wikipedia (dont laugh
) that you can cause whatever it is in the pancreas to stop doing its job, making insulin...kinda the same with test usage right? at least thats what ive read... Using testosterone can damage the ability for youe body to make it yourself... I read that in carlon colkers book... Im really a newbie when it comes to anabolics like this... Ive only practiced eating healthy, Big, and and Often, along with training hard... So feel free to correct me.
Also may I add, I have never used insulin before, I was merely looking to inquire info by asking this question... not to mention everything Ive read thus far, is leading me further and further away from ever using this anabolic! Id rather let my body create itself, I can pig out on 1500 calories over a 1 hour long meal at a buffet, and prolly get the same effects.
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IMO there are way to many products out there that are safe when taken in moderation with good training and dieting 99% of people will make solid gains on. There are some products out there that unless you are making a living with your body and have a legitimate shot at being a top level national BB and ultimately pro most people should stay away from. Many people read these forums and think the only way you can grow is with 1 gram+ of Test a week plus 4 or 5 other compounds mixed in with it for 20 wks. My point is for most people some stuff isn't worth the risk, but then again we are all adults so...
SiKbOy
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No newb should be even be thinking about using steroids, let alone slin and no newb should be giving advice on an advanced substance.
Research is the key, advice can only be of secondary importance to ones own understanding.
TBH i might just use on workout days and a few days after to increase the uptake of nutrients into the muscle, then carry on taking LR3 thereafter in cycle fashion.
Research is the key, advice can only be of secondary importance to ones own understanding.
I have never used slin, but after some research if and when i do use, i would start at 2 IU and raise by 1 IU every other workout or so and i probably wouldn't even go over the 10 IU mark at the end of such a venture.
TBH i might just use on workout days and a few days after to increase the uptake of nutrients into the muscle, then carry on taking LR3 thereafter in cycle fashion.
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bass what a great post. its so true, your 100% right about insulin though. it has left many people diabetics and has killed people.
i remember you from wcbb. i learned so much about tren from your info. that was years ago. it had to be atleast 6-7 years ago. you where the first person on these boards that i really learned alot from. i havent seen any of your posts in a while and it was a blast from the past seeing this sticky.
your advice has always been spot on. thank you
i remember you from wcbb. i learned so much about tren from your info. that was years ago. it had to be atleast 6-7 years ago. you where the first person on these boards that i really learned alot from. i havent seen any of your posts in a while and it was a blast from the past seeing this sticky.
your advice has always been spot on. thank you
mj34
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I've been researching the hell outta of igf and mgf. The problem is, its such a highly debatble topic from the best time to take it, the effective dose, whether it causes hyperplasia in humans. My biggest concern is the timing of carbs and protien. I'm well aware that many inject immediatly after a workout and then make a shake. Doesn't seem safer to have already made ther shake and drink it first, then inject? I'm very nervous of going hypo. Whether I chose to use slin, igf, or mgf; perhaps someone could layout a timing chat of how much carbs/protien need to be ingested immediatly following say an injection of 40mcgs of igf? Also, I've heard that 30-45 mins later to drink another shake and then 1.5hrs later eat a meal with of course carbs?protien. Ok, I hear people saying to use for example after or right before an injection to ingest 100grams of simple carbs and 50g of protien. I've heard people say to use dextrose, carbo gain, or glyco maize. So, what is the best option here? Sorry for all the questions and I know this is an insulin thread but with igf/mgf there is just so much confusion and debate on almost every aspect of this topic. I've been on Hrt for almost 5 years and of course I cycle quite a bit in between. Usually a 4-6 month cycle. I want to take it to the next level by using peptides and/or insulin. I've posted a lot because I know going hypo isn't something to play with and I'm just looking for knowledgable advice before I take it to this level. So once agin, I do apologise for posing in the insulin section. Thanks 2 all that can assit me with gaining some more knowledge.
Respect,
MJ34
jackedandtanned
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great post !!!!!
mj34
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Just curious, what is the minimum time frame u can run insulin and be able to truly benefit from this compound? And whether or not I'm cycling, I've been on Hrt for nearly 5 years so I will always have exogenous test in my system. I ask cus I've seen some run it 5 weeks, 6 months and even a year. And I'm assuming if you workout 4 days a week, then PWO you would inject say for example 4ius only on those days? So its best to inject either PWO days or EOD, would this be accurate? Thanks again.
TheClap
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Ok. I'm not an insulin user, but I am a paramedic. If you do take the plunge and start using insulin. PLEASE make sure someone else is with you for a while after each shot. That way if you do crash, in most urban areas the fire department or an ambulance can be there in <5min and you can be receiving dextrose IV about a minute later.
And if your buddy does crash. Just tell the medics EXACTLY what happened. We aren't the police. We don't care if you use gear. They can go right to the dextrose that way.
And if your buddy does crash. Just tell the medics EXACTLY what happened. We aren't the police. We don't care if you use gear. They can go right to the dextrose that way.
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No shit 100 units???? WTF! Wonder what the hell he was thinking?? All respects. But damn, wouldn't go over 10 to 12ius and thats working your way there!
JUICE JUNKY
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Basskiller Site
Bro, your site has more info than i have seen anywhere on the net. Good work and good looking out for the newbies!
Bro, your site has more info than i have seen anywhere on the net. Good work and good looking out for the newbies!
you got it backwards bro...work the other way...how much carbs does this trainee need to take up after his workout? Figure that out and then work backwards to figure out how much insulin this trainee should use. Slowly ramp up to that dose.
People just throw out an arbitrary number for insulin dosage...it makes no sense...its like saying everybody needs to eat 4k calories a day to maintain. No there are no generalities like that with diet. Same with insulin use since it is intimately tied to dietary needs.
I've used insulin in the past with great results. They trickis to take in 10 gram of carbs per IU of slin. And dont just think you can drink an after workout drink that has simple carbs in it and you're out of the woods. You need some long acting carbs in there also. Going Hypo is not fun.
muscularny
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if youd take 10 random guys that are doing GH and ask them to show you on a slin pin what the 1iu mark is most would point to the 10 mark on the pin.
Now obviously if they reconstituted in a way whereas the 10 mark = 1iu than they are right with the GH, but overtime they can start thinking that the 10 mark is 1iu.
Now all of a sudden they read to do 5iu of slin and they end up pulling to the 50 line not knowing that with slin its a whole other world, the 50 line will pretty much kill you.
In a day in age where people have a hard time figuring out mg, ml, mcg, iu, etc. screwing around with the most powerful and deadly drug is dangerous.
Another thing is, with GH or test if instead of 2iu of GH you took 4 or instead of 200mg of test you took 300mg test, it wont kill you, with slin every drop is a whole new story.
Most pros have people that advise them, they def dont cycle slin based on a message board post.
Stay safe
THis is a very good post. Being a newbie i have never thought about using insulin and probly won't for a long time if ever. IT is good to see vets lookin out for the newbs because theres always a "trainer" or someone who gives retarded advice to newbies. ive seen it a hundred times. I agree someone should always be with you if you are taking slin because if you fuck up your dead. Being a first time aas user, I always have my good friend whos a paramedic with me even when shooting my test just to make sure i do it properly,safely,sterile. Call me over careful but no one wants to fuck there body up and no one wants to find you dead from improper slin use. GREAT POST BASSKILLER.respect.
To clear up the 'going diabetic' part
Exogenous insulin has been associated with increased insulin resistance, a symptom and possible pre-condition of type 2 diabetes. For instance see:
Insulin Resistance and Hyperinsulinemia
Is hyperinsulinemia the cart or the horse?
Diabetes Care February 2008 vol. 31 no. Supplement 2 S262-S268
As far as practical protocol for non-pro level users of insulin (meaning you are self medicating without experienced assistance), you should at a minimum be tracking your a.m. pre meal blood sugar at least every few days if you choose to use regularly, especially if using for extended periods. If this average begins to rise more than five points or so over a few weeks, time to back away for a while.
Other than that, I second all the advice given already about not using this powerful drug. Whack your insulin pwo with a doughnut and drink your 90 gm shake, works great!
(disclaimer, I use slin, I religiously monitor, any suggested ideas form this post are opinions)
Exogenous insulin has been associated with increased insulin resistance, a symptom and possible pre-condition of type 2 diabetes. For instance see:
Insulin Resistance and Hyperinsulinemia
Is hyperinsulinemia the cart or the horse?
Diabetes Care February 2008 vol. 31 no. Supplement 2 S262-S268
As far as practical protocol for non-pro level users of insulin (meaning you are self medicating without experienced assistance), you should at a minimum be tracking your a.m. pre meal blood sugar at least every few days if you choose to use regularly, especially if using for extended periods. If this average begins to rise more than five points or so over a few weeks, time to back away for a while.
Other than that, I second all the advice given already about not using this powerful drug. Whack your insulin pwo with a doughnut and drink your 90 gm shake, works great!
(disclaimer, I use slin, I religiously monitor, any suggested ideas form this post are opinions)