Guys that want to gain 25+lbs per cycle.

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Xtortion

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Haha this is my first post. But thanks for that. Yea my friend went on a cycle and went absolutely huge. I am currently 20 years old so basically I was at 80 % saying no to steroids as I knew I did not "plateau" my strength/size.

But reading this has now helped me realize it is best that I should wait maybe till I'm 24+ years old to do a cycle. Thanks again !!
 
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Hexbolt

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mj34 said:
This is a very good and true desription of what goes on in the day to day life, esp youngsters looking for a quick fix and they think that they only way they can achieve their goals is through the use of AAS. I never even had a desire to use AAS until my doc put me on TRT at the age of 30. I'm uncertain of what exactly caused the severe depletion of my t levels but I suspect my age played a huge factor. After realizing the benefits of TRT I started doing extensive research every time I took a different compound and of course along the way I have asked for advice and yet even today I continue to research and ask questions. I'm now 35 and I have done quite a few cycles and I admit being on TRT and not having to deal with PCT plays a primary role in why I chose to do long cycles. My last cycle was roughly 6 months long and because like you mentioned it is hard to put on mass after you have been cycling for a while and not to mention I'm probably close to my genetic potential. I finally was able to get a good run and I actually gained close to 20 pounds because I used various compounds throughout, of course some of these gains were fat. My sex drive, attitude, sense of well being and muscular development has been postively affected by use of AAS, eating enough calories, getting enuf rest, and of course training. GREAT POST!
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My thoughts exactly...
 
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joker1234

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I got my results (blood work) back from private MD. Is there a site that shows what the numbers should read.

thanks for any help.
 
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bml600lb

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Phreezer said:
Here’s some info for guys who want to gain 20-25lbs on a cycle.


Everyone wants to know how to gain high poundages on a cycle. We’ve all got a “friend” in a gym somewhere that gained 25lbs on his last cycle and we want to do the same. We ask ourselves…What is his secret? Is the juice he’s taking that good? Is it a good diet in conjunction with the test.. is that what is responsible? Well, here’s the answer.. NO, his particular anabolic compound of choice be it Sustanon, Winstrol, Dbol, Tren, etc… isn’t so great that whoever takes one of those compounds will grow.. nor is his diet so “on” that he will gain more than us.

Here’s the truth.. and some of you won’t like it.. Some of you may even get pissed off.. The reason these guys grow so much on their cycles is because they shouldn’t even be using steroids to begin with… And that’s the truth… That may sound a bit confusing.. yes? Well allow me to elaborate…

You take a 20 yr old male. He has been lifting on and off for six months or so… He’s about 6 foot tall maybe a little shorter.. 5’10” or so.. He weighs about 165lbs.. He’s got a little bit of definition.. nothing big.. when his shirt is off people can tell he’s been working out.. He decides one day that he wants to take steroids, He sees the really big guys in the gym and he wants to be like them right now.. he doesn’t want to wait any longer.. in his mind six months has been long enough.. So he gets on the internet.. he finds a message board similar to this one.. he reads a little .. finds a hook up.. and decides to run 250mg of test and 300mg of deca for two months and ends up weighing around 185 or 190.. All of his friends are amazed.. he’s amazed He’s put on some size.. he looks like a weight lifter.. he doesn’t look like someone who could compete.. but he looks like he’s finally arrived on the Body building scene… His closest friends are so impressed that they want to run the exact same cycle .. He tells them exactly what he did.. how he ate etc… Now, a few months go by.. all of a sudden the kid is back to around 165 maybe 170.. He thinks.. “Oh man.. I’ve got to get back on cycle.. I need those drugs to be big.. if I don’t.. I just can’t grow… Steroids require that I stay on all the time to maintain the kind of size that I want”… I guess that’s what he has to do; huh; stay on all the time?

Now, here’s the reason he gained 25lbs on his cycle.. He was so far from his genetic potential that once the anabolic compounds were introduced into his system he grew like a weed.. His body didn’t need to struggle to put on that mass, because it was quite capable of adding that much mass naturally.. The steroids just sped it up..

it is for lack of a better or more accurate word.. a short cut to get to where he could have gotten natural anyway. His inevitable weight loss after coming off his "super" cycle wasn’t from the lack of steroids.. it was from a lack of a proper foundation.. a Lack of proper training skills, and a lack of muscular maturation…

Here’s the deal.. guys who need steroids aren’t the guys who are growing 25+lbs per cycle.. they are gaining 10lbs and hopefully keeping 5-8.. They are struggling to even do that.. I’ll tell you from personal experience.. I am 30 yrs old 6’2” .. I am 284lbs currently.. I am 17% BF (I’m a power lifter/strongman.. so I keep a little extra fat on me)…If I wanted to keep the same body fat % I have now and weigh 300lbs.. I would have to run a very long cycle. or in all honesty it will take me two full cycles to get to 3 bills..

An average cycle for me is about 750mg Test, 450mg Deca, 300mg EQ and Some Dbol in the front and at the end… Those are some fairly heavy dosages...Why don’t I gain 25lbs per cycle?

Because No matter how much gear I take.. no matter how much I eat.. my body is so far beyond it’s genetic potential that I simply can’t add that kind of radical mass anymore..

My body does a fairly good job of maintaining mass when I’m not on cycle.. but I do drop weight regardless.. and in truth, the only reason my body maintains it’s size as well as it does is because of Muscle maturation.. My body is used to carrying around that muscle.. it’s not a shock to my body to carry it around.. And I built a solid mass foundation naturally years ago.. I reached my genetic potential before I started using juice.. Lifting was a habit and a lifestyle for me because I played football from Junior high through College.

I’ve worked out in gyms all over the country.. and I have been doing so for the better part of a decade.. and I'll tell you, I have seen a lot of little guys blow up for a couple of months from a cycle only to deflate a couple of months later. It's the truth.. Muscle Maturation plays a huge key in keeping mass... that and proper training skills.. (and no hitting bench 3 days a week and squatting once every few months doesn't count)

So in truth, when you hear about some guy who gained 25-30lbs off of a cycle.. Please keep in mind that he is probably some impatient tiny punk that could have easily gained the same amount of muscle had he just been a little more patient.. If he had just been focused on learning how to train.. focused on how to eat…

This is a lifestyle.. there are no short cuts if you want to be the real deal.... There will never be a fly by nighter even win the smallest amateur comp in booney freaking Iowa if he hasn't been serious for years...

It's important that you guys learn that Juice may seem like the best short cut in the beginning... but whenever you add that much mass that quickly from gear.. Your body isn’t going to be ready for it.. it will literally fight you to keep it.. the sudden size and strength will stress the ligaments, tendons, bones and central nervous system and Your body will do everything that it can to shed those rapid muscle gains.. Decent muscle mass is only kept through time and hard work (cough.. cough.. it's a cliché.. but it's still true).. and it's important that your gains aren't so fast that the body can't adjust healthfully to it’s new weight gain..

I've been on the boards for years.. and I'll tell you, 80% of the people on these boards are wannabes and posers.. they are guys who won’t even be working out six months from now.. They are impatient and are looking for the shortcut.. they may even get a few short term results.. but in the long run they will come out behind everyone else (and when I say long run.. i mean less than a year or two)

These kind of guys will never be anything more than a hobbyist.. and in truth...that is probably the case in every other aspect of their lives as well, not just weight lifting..

So in the end my advice is this.. if you are wanting to add some mass. and you’re stuck.. learn a different training method.. change your diet.. and if you’re a good size.. (that’s when everyone who is in the room with you knows you’re a weight lifter.. if you walk in a room, and everyone in there doesn’t know that you lift… you are not ready for steroids) then come and sit down.. and we’ll talk about steroids.. until then… Learn how to train.. learn how to eat.. and spend some time in the gym.. you’ll be so much better off in the end…

Phreezer
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That is a thing of beauty!!!!! well said
 
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beached

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That's an awesome piece right there and anyone new to the sport should take the friggin time to read and learn. To many young pups come along and instantly think that because Joe Blow over there is taking such and such than that must be how he got that big so that's all i gotta do. Bang here come's the cold hard truth. If you don't put the time and effort into this in the gym and out of the gym than no amount of anything will get you there. My methods don't work for you and your methods might not work for me...it's about finding out what works for you and how you respond to it and applying that day in and day out...and taking it from there... Can't be said enough and that advice is hardly taken by the ones who know everything....We used to have a sign that hung above the desk at our old sweaty gym and it read:

Welcome-Train your ass off- Sweat, grunt, shout and if you want to bleed--Or get the fuck out and go to Golds!!

I took that sign to heart because if you were there for anything else you didn't last.
 
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Oldbastard

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I agree with Phreezer.... I've been down just about every road there is, being 57 YO. Listen to him, he nows what he's talking about. I started training half assed about 32 years ago, in Venice CA. I got serious about training at about 35, that's 22 years ago. I was 6'1", weighed 185. I did gain 30 pounds the first year, but at least half of it was fat. At least people started to notice changes in my body. I then started down the road of endless cycles, sometimes it worked, sometimes not. I trained up to a sloppy, albeit strong, 265 about 7 years ago. That's when I finally said to myself, " I have spent many years training, what do I want to do, continue in the same rut, quit training entirely, or teach myself everything I could about living the Physical Culture Lifestyle. I chose the latter. In a nutshell, I have learned what works for me; that being training my whole body 3 days per week, say Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Each W/O lasts 100 - 120 minutes. Now, at 57', I am 6'1", 235-240, I have 19 1/2" arms, a 50" Chest, a 36" Waist, 19" neck, 32" Quads, 18 1/2" calfs. My wrists are only 6 1/2", so I am small boned. I don't know when or how it will all end, I know my best years are behind me, but I have 3 kids, 5 grandkids, A beautiful wife, my Mom is still around at 83, we are both retired, we live in a Townhouse on the Beach with no Mortgage, and if you asked me how I did it, I have one word ........ LOVE. my Wifes. I owe everything to her.
For all you guys who took the time to read this, Thank you. And Phreezer, a special Thank You, because when I read your Thread, it caused me to think about life, how lucky I am, and how short life really is, Peace.
 
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ILGymGuy630

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Great post on here. I'll be honest, never thought about juice til a buddy of mine told me he had been using--and I really idolized this guy. I've been working out since 16--and it is frustrating to do all the training, all the healthy eating, and all that and have to work for every pound of muscle weight gain and try to stay ripped. Now that I'm 40--defnitely would like to try it--just to see what the results would be. (6 foot, 210 lbs, 18% bf).
 
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bostoncreampie

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My first cycle was 500mg test E/week for 10 weeks. I put on 40 lbs and added 80 lbs to my bench press.

It's all about the food. Bottom line.
 
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realestatemike

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Diet 80% ,proper rest and workout form.. Is good advice. I think there is a problem that guys think gear is magic. Its not but guys who are on tend to grow and stay bigger more than guys who aren't on. I'm 40 I would never of thought of gear till this year. I don't recover well diet lacks as in eating every 3 hours and ect. I live a busy real life that involves family and just the daily grind. I think gear is going to be a great choice for me as it will improve my workouts and get me to my personal ego driven goals faster..
 
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donaldk

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Thanks bro..deff speaking experience and knowledge...im 37..beena hardcore athlete my whole life..as well as in the gym...just finally decided to do my first cycle. thank for the good advice. learning alot from here
 
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IronFiend_78

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Awesome post, ironically when I first started lifting 13 years ago I was VERY anti-steroids and so I did it the right way. Put on about 20 pounds of lean muscle in the first 4-6 months and everyone thought I was on 'roids. Unfortunately it's taken me about 12.5 years to put on another 20 pounds lol! been using AAS off and on for about 4 years.

That honeymoon period when you first start lifting is an incredibly anabolic experience, no roids are needed and people should cherish it. No need to fuck with it with unnecessary side-effects by taking roids.
 
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