JUICE JUNKY
New member
I agree this is something every newbee should read
I agree that this should definitely be made a "sticky"
Guys that want to gain 25+lbs per cycle.
- Thread starter Phreezer
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theshowboat
New member
Hey Phreezer how the hell ya been my man? Great post brother. I love to lift just as much off as I'm on,and its so damn hard to get that extra 5lbs,becasue I'm at my genetic biggest, but you keep training hard,lifting with quality and you learn more training strategies,and you keep real to the deal,and make lifting a everyday lesson to learn more from your training regimen. A shortcut just isn't worth it,until you got as far as you possibly could and you have been lifting for atleast 5 years in my opinion. Good post brother.
Theshowboat
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chavez3
Member
This is definitely a good read! So here I am complaining that I only gained 9 pounds on my cycle and after reading all of this it sounds like that's roughly what I should have gained. I will be 39 this month so I guess in the end on average I will keep approx. 5-6 pounds of muscle.??? So yes....the truth does hurt. But that's not going to stop me or bring me down.
scorpion360
New member
Well said.
genetics and bodybuilding
howdy,
guys i am 50 now and in BB for way over 30 years. and i´ve read posts like this b4 a thousand times. good post, nothing against that! BUT, you are all talking about your GENETIC LIMIT, or that "your genes" are bad.
NOW, WHO OF YOU IS A SCIENTIST or WORKS with a SCIENTIST to be able to say "my GENES ARE BAD" or "I AM SO FAR BEYOUND MY GENETIC POTENTIAL"??
Common guys, i bet 99% of everything you (and I) know about genes or genetic limits come from reads like FLEX, MMI or some other mag, in there articles, given you take a medical textbook to compare, SCIENCE ENDS, where SCIENCE STARTS i n a textbook.
WHY dont any of you do any RESEARCH on HOW TO TRAIN correctly instead of trying to find another wonder-peptide that will make you grow whatever needs to grow? BODYBUILDING TRAINING as it is performed generally is the most stupid, unscientific, and the worst researched brainless type of killing your time as well as yourself. I AM A BODYBUILDER by heart and soul, and i gave a lot of my health an in this consequence perhaps quite a few years of my life to become a bodybuilder. And after 35 years in this sport, i´ve seen that my fellow bb-peers are so much into science and research for a better way to get to where they wanna be, but i do not see anybody questioning the senseless bodybuilding-training advice given out by people with a perhaps less-scientific background than the average guy on olm posesses...common kids, do RESEARCH in bodybuilding training, the aspects of RECOVERY AND GROWTH, PROPER NUTRITION, NOT meaning to find another super-anabolic-grow-like a weed-power hyper super- make u superstar-over-night- powder, made by the same people that brought this very same BS to us 20 years ago with a different name. If you want to EDUCATE YOURSELF about TRAINING and GROWTH induced by training and HOW and WHY a muscle grows AFTER all, get yourself a copy of POWERFACTOR-training or STATIC-CONTRATION-training. I do not sell these or am affilliated with the autors, and even if you never train how they recommend, read WHAT they have to say about training and recovery. stop bashing your genetis and making your parents responsible for less than favourable progress with your bodybuilding. stop researching for new gear and peptides and cycles. all bodybuilders of the last decades did not invole themselfes in such, even though you WANT to SEE it this way and search for their SECRET. The only SECET in bodybuilding, ok i will tell you here:
THERE IS NO SECRET, that´s the ultimate secret in bodybuilding
regards robc299
no BRAIN-no GAIN
howdy,
guys i am 50 now and in BB for way over 30 years. and i´ve read posts like this b4 a thousand times. good post, nothing against that! BUT, you are all talking about your GENETIC LIMIT, or that "your genes" are bad.
NOW, WHO OF YOU IS A SCIENTIST or WORKS with a SCIENTIST to be able to say "my GENES ARE BAD" or "I AM SO FAR BEYOUND MY GENETIC POTENTIAL"??
Common guys, i bet 99% of everything you (and I) know about genes or genetic limits come from reads like FLEX, MMI or some other mag, in there articles, given you take a medical textbook to compare, SCIENCE ENDS, where SCIENCE STARTS i n a textbook.
WHY dont any of you do any RESEARCH on HOW TO TRAIN correctly instead of trying to find another wonder-peptide that will make you grow whatever needs to grow? BODYBUILDING TRAINING as it is performed generally is the most stupid, unscientific, and the worst researched brainless type of killing your time as well as yourself. I AM A BODYBUILDER by heart and soul, and i gave a lot of my health an in this consequence perhaps quite a few years of my life to become a bodybuilder. And after 35 years in this sport, i´ve seen that my fellow bb-peers are so much into science and research for a better way to get to where they wanna be, but i do not see anybody questioning the senseless bodybuilding-training advice given out by people with a perhaps less-scientific background than the average guy on olm posesses...common kids, do RESEARCH in bodybuilding training, the aspects of RECOVERY AND GROWTH, PROPER NUTRITION, NOT meaning to find another super-anabolic-grow-like a weed-power hyper super- make u superstar-over-night- powder, made by the same people that brought this very same BS to us 20 years ago with a different name. If you want to EDUCATE YOURSELF about TRAINING and GROWTH induced by training and HOW and WHY a muscle grows AFTER all, get yourself a copy of POWERFACTOR-training or STATIC-CONTRATION-training. I do not sell these or am affilliated with the autors, and even if you never train how they recommend, read WHAT they have to say about training and recovery. stop bashing your genetis and making your parents responsible for less than favourable progress with your bodybuilding. stop researching for new gear and peptides and cycles. all bodybuilders of the last decades did not invole themselfes in such, even though you WANT to SEE it this way and search for their SECRET. The only SECET in bodybuilding, ok i will tell you here:
THERE IS NO SECRET, that´s the ultimate secret in bodybuilding
regards robc299
no BRAIN-no GAIN
I read Pubmed and Milo. I don't read MF or flex. Your reading comprehension sucks. You need to re-read what I wrote. Genetic potential is different for everyone.. but the litmus test is where you're at when you start and you just reinforce my point of time and training is more important than gear.
It doesn't take a medical degree to know that 90% of gym rats can't get to 250lbs at 4% NATURAL..
But like I've already said.. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But thanks for re-inforcing 90% of what I originally posted.
take care,
P
It doesn't take a medical degree to know that 90% of gym rats can't get to 250lbs at 4% NATURAL..
But like I've already said.. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But thanks for re-inforcing 90% of what I originally posted.
take care,
P
REDRUM
New member
I was in my mid 20's so its was around my 9th cycle(started when I was 17). I happened to roll into some money after a very lucky night in vegas, so I decided to the the largest one I ever done yet to date. I had been on GH for about 8 months before this began, with a TRT dose of test and 25mcg of T3 rotated in and out
I had the blend custom made for me, its was 150mg of each, leading to a 600mg inject in one ml, made in EO. Which was ran for 6 months straight, the cycle lasted 7months though .Doing 5-7 injections a week of this cocktail with intervals of HCG so the boys would wither and die, and provirion at 50-100mgs depending on how bad the libido was getting.
The mix was made up of
Test Cyp
NandrolonePhenyl Prop
Bold Cyp
Parabolan(Tren Hex)
for the first 8 weeks, I used a combo of 75-100mgs drol(dose varied on how bad the back pumps were, and 50mgs dbol, I tell you, the back pumps you get from that are lethal, the pumps alone were insane, but even trying to do weighted hyper extenstions, when I got off and started to walk it looked like I was frigging John Wayne, getting off a horse Id been riding for 24 hrs straight walking bow legged as anyone could possibly be.
Then I took 8 months of the orals, and continued with brew of the gods, and 8iu of GH ed.
Then for the final stretch, I used the super brew, with 50-75 mgs of anavar(doses varied again with the back pumps), along with 40mgs turanibol. And the same dose of GH. That was the 24 weeks of all the heavy duty shit.
So I could do a long and proper PCT, I stopped using the super brew, cause it did have the test and bold cyp in it, So I started my regimine of HGC for a month while I used low doses of Phenylprop, Parabolan, Winny, and Proviron for the final hardening.
When I was prepubscent teen I already had bitch tits, which were actually benine tumors, so they removed the whole gland and all, so I was fortunate enough not to have to worry about gyno, especially progesterone induced gyno.
I ran 2mgs of Adex ed throughout the cycle to try and keep water rentention down to a bare minimum, and the proviron helped with that as well. After the month of HCG, I did a round of clomid and novla, for a month and continued the GH as well.
So when all was said and done, I had gained roughly 45-50lbs, and after all the bloat, went away 35lbs of that stayed of rock hard muscle. I began the cycle at around 240-245, went up to almost 300lbs, and ended up at 276lbs, at roughly 8-10% bf. Which for me Is absolutely amazing, since I have very poor genetics, I gain weight by looking at food. And for the first time in my life I had abs, or at least the out line of them, and bicep veins that were like rigatoni.
My arms were just shy of 22"
calves were 19"
waist was 36"
Chest was almost 60 Inches"
I remember going to clubs and the bouncers fucking around with me or not asked me please not to get into any type of brawl, I was telling girls I was pro football player. One night we went out for my girls bday, and the guy at the door thought I played for a local team, and we walked right in the club with a line of 100 something people waiting in subzero weather all waiting to see Paul Van Dyke, spinning that night.
Unfortunatly, I'll probable never be able to achieve that ever again, due to a series of massive bar brawls, ya know the assholes who wanna say hey check out the juice bag, and they confront me and have their eye socket crushed. And with so many fractures to the hands, and dislocating my shoulder a number of times, mix that with arthritis, which they believe now is rheumatoid, and probably is since its spreading through every joint in my body. And the grand winner of them all a bar fight that spilled ou into the street, and a guy caught me with a hay maker out of nowhere and I went flying intol the street, and was hit by a fucking taxi.
So Im sadly stuck on pain meds, and limited to what I can grip, how far I can press without the shoulder giving, or even walking for maybe a mile or so before I have to break out the cane. Im a man in my 30's with the body aligments of an 80 year old. But honestly it aint so bad, it makes for great conversation, the gladiator days and the women eat it up, and in return I do the favor
That was some long post, and if you read it all the way down to here, thanks for listening to my glory days gone by, cause now its time for my daily jog/walk/hobble with my cane..lol
RR
Lastly, I could have pumped a gallon of shit into my system and nothing would have happened if I had dedicated to training properly, training with people who could train properly, and its all about the diet. Gotta get at least 6 meals in a day, even if you have to wake ur ass up at 2am and chug a protein shake. Without the calories and the protein and the right supplements, none of that wouldnt have done anything more than turn my into a gigantic balloon of water and fat had I stayed on my ass, and not broke my ass to achieve the greatest Ive ever looked.
And for the mods, I hope its Ok that I mentioned past use and what was used, because I would never violate any laws because its illegal today to purchase these things. My test comes from doc, and bless his heart for his weekly dose of 300mgs a week, because without it, my levels are below 100ng/nl. Thats what happens when you dont do proper PCT, or start at 16-17 yrs old and continue to do so for 20 yrs
I had the blend custom made for me, its was 150mg of each, leading to a 600mg inject in one ml, made in EO. Which was ran for 6 months straight, the cycle lasted 7months though .Doing 5-7 injections a week of this cocktail with intervals of HCG so the boys would wither and die, and provirion at 50-100mgs depending on how bad the libido was getting.
The mix was made up of
Test Cyp
NandrolonePhenyl Prop
Bold Cyp
Parabolan(Tren Hex)
for the first 8 weeks, I used a combo of 75-100mgs drol(dose varied on how bad the back pumps were, and 50mgs dbol, I tell you, the back pumps you get from that are lethal, the pumps alone were insane, but even trying to do weighted hyper extenstions, when I got off and started to walk it looked like I was frigging John Wayne, getting off a horse Id been riding for 24 hrs straight walking bow legged as anyone could possibly be.
Then I took 8 months of the orals, and continued with brew of the gods, and 8iu of GH ed.
Then for the final stretch, I used the super brew, with 50-75 mgs of anavar(doses varied again with the back pumps), along with 40mgs turanibol. And the same dose of GH. That was the 24 weeks of all the heavy duty shit.
So I could do a long and proper PCT, I stopped using the super brew, cause it did have the test and bold cyp in it, So I started my regimine of HGC for a month while I used low doses of Phenylprop, Parabolan, Winny, and Proviron for the final hardening.
When I was prepubscent teen I already had bitch tits, which were actually benine tumors, so they removed the whole gland and all, so I was fortunate enough not to have to worry about gyno, especially progesterone induced gyno.
I ran 2mgs of Adex ed throughout the cycle to try and keep water rentention down to a bare minimum, and the proviron helped with that as well. After the month of HCG, I did a round of clomid and novla, for a month and continued the GH as well.
So when all was said and done, I had gained roughly 45-50lbs, and after all the bloat, went away 35lbs of that stayed of rock hard muscle. I began the cycle at around 240-245, went up to almost 300lbs, and ended up at 276lbs, at roughly 8-10% bf. Which for me Is absolutely amazing, since I have very poor genetics, I gain weight by looking at food. And for the first time in my life I had abs, or at least the out line of them, and bicep veins that were like rigatoni.
My arms were just shy of 22"
calves were 19"
waist was 36"
Chest was almost 60 Inches"
I remember going to clubs and the bouncers fucking around with me or not asked me please not to get into any type of brawl, I was telling girls I was pro football player. One night we went out for my girls bday, and the guy at the door thought I played for a local team, and we walked right in the club with a line of 100 something people waiting in subzero weather all waiting to see Paul Van Dyke, spinning that night.
Unfortunatly, I'll probable never be able to achieve that ever again, due to a series of massive bar brawls, ya know the assholes who wanna say hey check out the juice bag, and they confront me and have their eye socket crushed. And with so many fractures to the hands, and dislocating my shoulder a number of times, mix that with arthritis, which they believe now is rheumatoid, and probably is since its spreading through every joint in my body. And the grand winner of them all a bar fight that spilled ou into the street, and a guy caught me with a hay maker out of nowhere and I went flying intol the street, and was hit by a fucking taxi.
So Im sadly stuck on pain meds, and limited to what I can grip, how far I can press without the shoulder giving, or even walking for maybe a mile or so before I have to break out the cane. Im a man in my 30's with the body aligments of an 80 year old. But honestly it aint so bad, it makes for great conversation, the gladiator days and the women eat it up, and in return I do the favor
That was some long post, and if you read it all the way down to here, thanks for listening to my glory days gone by, cause now its time for my daily jog/walk/hobble with my cane..lol
RR
Lastly, I could have pumped a gallon of shit into my system and nothing would have happened if I had dedicated to training properly, training with people who could train properly, and its all about the diet. Gotta get at least 6 meals in a day, even if you have to wake ur ass up at 2am and chug a protein shake. Without the calories and the protein and the right supplements, none of that wouldnt have done anything more than turn my into a gigantic balloon of water and fat had I stayed on my ass, and not broke my ass to achieve the greatest Ive ever looked.
And for the mods, I hope its Ok that I mentioned past use and what was used, because I would never violate any laws because its illegal today to purchase these things. My test comes from doc, and bless his heart for his weekly dose of 300mgs a week, because without it, my levels are below 100ng/nl. Thats what happens when you dont do proper PCT, or start at 16-17 yrs old and continue to do so for 20 yrs
Tigershark2006
New member
Great post.
killercalvz
New member
wow-what a great post. very true.
Duckhombre
Banned
I attest to Phreezer's good wisdom. I lifted for years, but then I wanted to compete, wanted to be huge, long story story short- I took the the short cut- four years later I'm as big naturally as I was peak cycle four years ago. Too much, too fast. The long hard road is slow, but ultimately more productive. I think that's the secret, persistence- of training, dieting, ect.
the younger you are, the worse you are making decisions, so on this issue, just put it off.
the younger you are, the worse you are making decisions, so on this issue, just put it off.
toddcdozer
New member
If I remember right in 2000 I was off for 2 years and no gym. I went on 1000 sust deca tren proviron gained 35 lbs muscle 15 of lard. A lot was muscle memory tho.
juced_porkchop
New member
I LOVED IT!!!!!
I liked the last two lines.
I liked the last two lines.
im in my 20'z and my natural body weight at 140-145lbs have super hard time gaining, been training for over 5yrs and the heaviest iv been was 158lbs natural when i stop lifting for like 2 months max i drop weight rappidly maybe 10-12lbs, but when i start up again the weight comes back just as easy...now every time i get up to 155-158lbs i stop gaining even with strength increase, im guessing thats my genetic potential so after hitting this weights im able to try anabolics....i know strength gains to fast can caz injury thts where those lil twerps tht use AAS come in the cheaters... I never thought about using AAS unless hitting my maximum potential, I kno wat hard training is been doing it since high school...as a sophmore i weighed 120lbs and was benching 225lbs 2X my weight so i know my injury potential should be as much as a cheaters...any ways i graduated at 135 and i only filled in 5-10lbs yrs after highschool natural, but wit lifting up to 155lbs, so i must be ready right