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O40

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Just got some of the neoprene knee wraps! What a difference on my squat, I was doing reps ass to grass with 315 (which for me is heavy). The knee wraps seem to make big difference.

I have an umbilical hernia, getting it meshed in March. Suppose to be a 30 minute outpaitent procedure...just another obstacle in the road.
 

patsfan

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macattack said:
DAMN we're all a mess LOL.

I got the creaky knees also magnus not quite you're weight though i'm 280 right now still too damn much weight to be carrying around at our age.

I've had numerous back trouble's but the best thing i've ever done is go to a sports chiropractor he adjusted me several times and since then i've had very little trouble other then a pinched nerve from bad posture on the leg press machine, my fault big time.


I agree with you on the hammstring stretching randy, one thing i do workout consistant are my hammstrings and don't let them atrophy, sorry for the back troubles man that does'nt sound too good.

Hey pat that could be rotator cuff best get it checked out, sometimes it's just a strain but it can be a tear, use LOTS of ice man and give it a break for awhile go light for a few months i went thru it for 8 months with a tear/strain also those physical therapy rotator cuff excercises are very good to do, i did them for a month or so and they helped alot. By the way i was a handball player also i miss the game.

Good advice from all. I also use that neoprene thingy(Meuller) on my knee but no way would I do buckets like that ( I havnt attemmped sqauts in 6 weeks but have recently been doing presses with various plate loaded and pin machines for presses.

I've been worried about the cuff thing for awhile and hav'nt had insurance until now (Harvard Pilgrim's top plan) I couldnt even get my first appointment from my primary for 3 weeks....so he's gonna get an earfull lol....it's been 3 years and alot of damage to these old bones. Me and the MRI machine,sounds like a catchy tune.

I'll have a complete blood workup (enzimes,PSA, the works) and then make the appointments with the specialists.

On a good note..that Chiro move I was teliing you my wife could'nt do has been accomplished 4 times now(full cracks on both sides) , on a hard flat surface and I can allready feal some relief in my lower back.

I googled some stretches for the lower back and did the yesterday before legs and I had 0 probs however I did'nt really test it.


Hopefully ,it will all be minor surgery to clean stuff out and not that 10 inch staple cuff surgery I saw a buddy come into the gym with last month (yikes)

Since the shoulder injury..I have'nt gone about 245 and just do sets of 20 and the cables as well. to my surprise I am getting sore after these workouts as I am probably using different muscles.


Thanks for all your advice, Pats
 

macattack

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O40 said:
Just got some of the neoprene knee wraps! What a difference on my squat, I was doing reps ass to grass with 315 (which for me is heavy). The knee wraps seem to make big difference.

I have an umbilical hernia, getting it meshed in March. Suppose to be a 30 minute outpaitent procedure...just another obstacle in the road.


I had the same hernia 2 years ago and it was a bit more invasive then that, they layed me open, doc said i had at least 3-4 small hernias around the umbilical cord so he wanted to make sure it was meshed proper. But i walked out about 2 hours after surgery and went home back up to par within 6 weeks or so, took it really slow.
 

macattack

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Best of luck there Pat hope their able to REBUILD you and make ya better then new :D

In the mean time don't do nuthin to crazy and break anything else LOL...
 

macattack

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brickhouse said:
I have found the older I get, the more careful and stricter I have to be. I have completely eliminated certain lifts and movements from my training that have in the past caused me problems. Training smarter has kept me relatively injury free for the last several years. Shorter, more carefully executed cycles now than before. Diet wise, no more cheat days for me anymore.
By the way, just found this board recently, thought I'd chime in with first post. Looks like good bros here. I've kicked around the boards for years, glad to be here.

peace
brick


AMEN you are wise Brickhouse :D

Thomas Jefferson:

I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be.
 

hARLEYC

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Hey guys,
Im 38yrs old. Been lifting for 20 +yrs. Im still feeling pritty good for my age. My Bench press is over 500lbs And Im going for 600lbs this year. Im 5'8 tall and 220lbs at 8% BF. My arms are over 20". Im going to try to get them to 22" this year. Been on and off gear for years. Some times my shoulders get a little pain in them But a little Deca takes care of that. For you guys looking for some thing for your joints There is a product called Glucosa Cream from the VPX co. All the guys are saying this stuff kicks ass. They say it helps in hrs not mo's. Give it a try it just might help. Good luck guys, Harleyc
 

thick

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Do dumbbells bother you?


To the guy whose chiro hasnt heard of ART. There are many different forms of ART. I am sure your chiro had some sort of "ART" either taught to him or available as an elective. It mostly depends on what school they went to. The only difference is the name. Take care
O40 said:
Big J, you are the man with those lifts! Please share any joint tips, training tips, supps,etc. I am not a power lifter or competitive bodybuilder, just want to keep the BF low and add some muscle. I am 6' 1", about 240, been lifting on and off the last 15 years, mostly on the last 5. My biggest problem is in my AC joints. I narrowed my grip on the bench and that helped a lot. Don't do much incline. Ortho gave me a cortisone inject in the left in August and it's great. The right had a problem, and he injected that today. Any information will be greatly appreciated!
 

MTPUMP

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re- older guys

Hey bros great post, I am glad I found a bunch of guys the same age as me 44yrs, 5'11, 245lb's love to hear your experiences.
Right shoulder problems, doc may scope but first I got hooked up with a great P/T. so working with him first. Stopped lifting upper body for 2 weeks.
Go Hawkeyes
Will be in I.C. for the Minn. Ia. wrestling match Friday nite.
 

EJACOBS

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Old Guy

JUST ANOTHER old guy checking in, 45, 6' 1", 230- 255, been lifting about 32 yrs, pretty steadily, its always something, looks like achy shoulders this week, not enough to stop me, but thinking of using deca next. What do you guys think/ hear how us old dudes shouldn 't use it, maybe 750 mg test, 400 eq, 300 deca ?? thanks
 

EJACOBS

Member
big j

p.s., big j please do keep the info coming, help us geezers out, even though i alternate, some days i feel like i am 17, some days 70, lol ....
 

macattack

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EJACOBS said:
JUST ANOTHER old guy checking in, 45, 6' 1", 230- 255, been lifting about 32 yrs, pretty steadily, its always something, looks like achy shoulders this week, not enough to stop me, but thinking of using deca next. What do you guys think/ hear how us old dudes shouldn 't use it, maybe 750 mg test, 400 eq, 300 deca ?? thanks

I tried it did'nt do me any good but what did was M1T and Test E deca bloats me like nothing else can but maybe thats a good thing all the water retention but it was way to much.

32 years, thats a long long time lots of wear and tear i imagine.

Your going to have to come up with a new plan maybe, something to keep you going but not overload, i am trying out a new program called P/RR/S

Guy named bodyfx came up with this he is a personal trainer who posts on another board i go to. (http://timwescott.proboards18.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&username=bodyfx)

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POWER/REPRANGE/SHOCK. It has been written about in Musclemag International magazine and soon Ironman. I hope you find it helpful to you in some way.

I have added 30 lbs of muscle over the last two years by utilizing this program. Nothing I have ever done before comes close to the results that this program has produced...

Stuck in a rut? Failing to make any more measurable gains in size and strength? Do not expect DIFFERENT results from doing the SAME things! If you have been training for several years, chances are your body has fully adapted to the workouts you have been throwing at it time and again. The human body is an ADAPTIVE MACHINE, and it prefers homeostasis. This simply means that your body will fight your efforts to add any more muscle to your frame with all it's might. The body and it's systems do not want change, so if you wish to get bigger, stronger, and leaner, you are going to have to FORCE change, and do so in a way that does NOT allow your body to ever FULLY adapt to the workload that you present to it. Enter POWER/REP RANGE/SHOCK, an intensive, cyclical program that will provide novel stimuli to your muscles each week, and will approach growth through several unique mechanisms. The following will provide a "template" for you to work with, but each individual can "tweak" the program slightly (exercises used, workout split, days per week training) to fit precisely to their needs. Just as long as the basic principles and premise is followed, you should be able to reap the full muscle building benefits of the program.

Back
POWER: week 1

- Rack deadlift...3 x 3-6
- Bent row...3 x 4-6
- Weighted chin...2-3 x 4-6
- CG seated row...2-3 x 4-6

REP RANGE: week 2

- CG weighted chin...2 x 6-8
- WG T-Bar row...2 x 8-10
- Dumbell row...2 x 10-12
- Pullover...2 x 12-15

SHOCK: week 3

- Pullover/WG pulldown superset...1-2 x 8-10 each
- Stiff arm pulldown/reverse grip bent row...1-2 x 8-10 each
- CG seated pully row dropset...1 x 6-8, drop, 6-8, drop, 6-8



Biceps/Triceps
POWER: week 1

- Barbell curl...2 x 4-6
- Preacher curl...2 x 4-6
- Hammer curl...1-2 x 4-6
- CG bench press...3 x 4-6
- Skull crush...2 x 4-6
- Single arm dumbell extension...1-2 x 4-6

REP RANGE: week 2

- Alternating dumbell curl...2 x 6-8
- Cable curl...2 x 8-10
- Concentration curl...1-2 x 10-12
- Weighted dip...3 x 6-8
- Pushdown...2 x 8-10
- Kickback...1-2 x 10-12

SHOCK: week 3

- EZ bar curl/CG chin superset...1 x 6-10 each
- Preacher curl/reverse curl superset...1 x 6-10 each
- Dropset cable single arm curl...1 x 6-10, drop 6-10
- Pushdown/CG bench press superset...1-2 x 6-10 each
- Reverse grip pushdown/incline overhead extension superset...1-2 x 6-10 each
- Dropset weighted bench dip...1 x 8-10, drop 8-10



Chest
POWER: week 1

- Dumbell bench press...3 x 4-6
- Incline press...3 x 4-6
- Weighted dips...2 x 4-6

REP RANGE: week 2

- Incline dumbell press...3 x 6-8
- Bench press...3 x 8-10
- Flye...2 x 10-12

SHOCK: week 3

- Superset...cable crossover/incline smith press...1-2 x 8-10 reps each
- Superset...incline flye/dips...1 x 8-10 reps each
- Dropset...machine bench press...1 x 8-10, drop 6-8, drop 6-8 optional



Deltoids
POWER: week 1

- Military press...2-3 x 4-6
- Upright row...2-3 x 4-6
- "Cheat" lateral...2 x 4-6

REP RANGE: week 2

- Single arm dumbell press...2 x 6-8
- Bent lateral...2-3 x 8-10
- Cable side lateral...2 x 10-12

SHOCK: week 3

- Seated side lateral/hammer machine press superset...1-2 x 8-10
- Severse pec deck/WG upright row superset...1-2 x 8-10
- Cable front raise dropset...1 x 6-8, drop 6-8, drop 6-8 optional



Legs
POWER: week 1

- Squats...3 x 4-6
- Leg press...3 x 4-6
- Single leg extension...2 x 4-6
- Lying leg curl...3 x 4-6
- Stiff deadlift...2-3 x 4-6

REP RANGE: week 2

- Leg extension...2 x 8-10
- Hack squat...3 x 10-12
- One legged leg press...3 x 12-15
- Lying leg curl...2 x 6-8
- Stiff deadlift...2 x 8-10
- Single leg curl or seated leg curl...1-2 x 10-12

SHOCK: week 3

- Superset: leg extension/front squat...1-2 x 8-10 each
- Superset: leg extension/sissy squat or leg press...1-2 x 8-10 each
- Dropset: lunge...1 x 8-10, drop, 8-10
- Superset: leg curl seated or lying/toes pointed hyperextension...1-2 x 8-10 each
- Dropset: single leg curl...1-2 x 8-10, drop, 8-10


I personally suggest that you do 3 full P/RR/S cycles before taking 1 full week off from the gym in order to recharge the nervous system and allow for some tendon, ligament, and joint repair. Within the confines of the workout, attempt to achieve greater levels of intensity with each passing cycle, and strive to keep the stimulus you present your muscles novel and dynamic. Force your body to "keep up" by getting bigger and stronger, without allowing it to fully adapt to what is going on. Good luck!
 
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macattack

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I'm on week 2 now Rep Range, the first week killed me because i went so heavy with those low reps, this week is alot different more cardio feeling and not used to the high reps but it feels really good i'm not so exhausted afterwards, i may change this up a bit after the first cycle but pretty much sticking to whats there for this one, except for legs i don't and won't do all those excercises, about half whats there.
 

brickhouse

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macattack, I got a couple of questions about your routine. 1) when you say 3 full cycles, are saying 9 weeks on, then 1 week off? 2) are you pyramiding the weight on work sets? 3) are you taking any sets to failure?
This routine sounds interesting.
 

O40

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Damn, there are a quite a few of us Over 40 and close type guys here.

With regards to ART...I found a massage therapist that has some release techniques, she's about 5'7 250 and she can can apply the pressure. She hit some pressure points on my middle back that I could feel in my delts...feel like a new man.

With regards to the umbilical hernia, the doc said he will make 3 small incsions around the unbilical area and use a camera to fix the hernia. I am going in on Thursday and he said I could be back at work Monday, lifting again lightly in 10 days, no heavy stuff for 4 weeks or so.

Regarding cycles at my age (43), I have only done 2 along with several prohormones cycles. The major impact is on libido and getting wood. The last was a Tren/Test cycle and I am 5 weeks post cycle and things are getting back to normal. Next up is Primo/Test/Var. Good luck to you all.
 

macattack

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brickhouse said:
macattack, I got a couple of questions about your routine. 1) when you say 3 full cycles, are saying 9 weeks on, then 1 week off? 2) are you pyramiding the weight on work sets? 3) are you taking any sets to failure?
This routine sounds interesting.

Yes thats what he's saying 3 FULL cycles then 1 full week off but you can tweak it a bit as long as you keep the (basic principles) those are the key words , its a shock program, you want to keep the muscles wondering what the hells going on here LOL.

I pyramind yes, i also do a warm up set or even 2 especially on the power week because those are really heavy sets and you need to be warmed up some before just jumping into the weight and i don't count warmups. I made sure the first week that i could do the reps without failure, next cycle i might change that i just wanted to get thru this first one, i documented all my lifts so that the next cycle i know exactly where to start and see if i made any strength gains, it will probably take a few cycles before anything really noticeable accurs.
 

macattack

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O40 said:
Damn, there are a quite a few of us Over 40 and close type guys here.

With regards to ART...I found a massage therapist that has some release techniques, she's about 5'7 250 and she can can apply the pressure. She hit some pressure points on my middle back that I could feel in my delts...feel like a new man.

With regards to the umbilical hernia, the doc said he will make 3 small incsions around the unbilical area and use a camera to fix the hernia. I am going in on Thursday and he said I could be back at work Monday, lifting again lightly in 10 days, no heavy stuff for 4 weeks or so.

Regarding cycles at my age (43), I have only done 2 along with several prohormones cycles. The major impact is on libido and getting wood. The last was a Tren/Test cycle and I am 5 weeks post cycle and things are getting back to normal. Next up is Primo/Test/Var. Good luck to you all.

I was hoping my Doc would have done that sort of surgery but he decided to go with ripping me open LOL, he told me he could put his fist inside of me the FREAK!!!!!!!

O40 i've done quite a few cycles myself i started with pro H also, i don't do tren anymore its just to damned harsh i found i make my best gains on Test E and M1T cycles i run the test 10-12 weeks and the M1T at 3 week intervals with several weeks OFF inbetween because thats some harsh shit also .
 
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