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d.s. said:
if 1ml is equal to 100U on a insulin needle and the stuff comes in 1ml at 1000mcg. So for a 100mcg a day dose ( split into 50mcg twice daily ) could you not draw up 5unit=50mcg . Forget the BA water and all the freezing needls and hasle. You use one bottle in ten days so you get three kits for 30days. My buddy does this no problems.
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I agree with this.
 
tommbstone

tommbstone

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wow omegalabs brand igf1 is so much eaiser to use. Just draw out 5 iu in amd and shoot 2.5 in left bie shoot 2.5 in right. DONE (or what ever your training that day)

draw out 5 iu more and do it all over again 40min before trainining

NOTHING ELSE except eating and lifting
 
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taba

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You should dilute the reconstituted IGF with Bac Water after it has been recon with AA. Fill the whole pin with Bac Water after you draw your dose. Pull back some air first so you don't get that vacum affect and draw the IGF into the Bac Water vial.

First it makes sure you get all of it in you. 2nd you will not kill the surrounding tissue from injecting straight AA. The less scaring the better. That shit stings. Leave a small air bubble so you can force all of it out of the slin barrel. The couple of clicks of air will not harm you. I us about 5 clicks of air

Omega Labs IGF is one of the best I have tried. It was my first IGF I ever used and I was amazed at the quality when I compared it to the generic brands. Done 3 IGF cycles so far.
 
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haney99

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bmass said:
Reconstituting IGF-1 with white vinegar

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Posted by RedBaron @ AR


I have noticed several posts lately wondering about a good method for reconstituting IGF-1 and a few posts about using vinegar/water to do so. I originally wrote this post at anabolicmonsterz, but since there seems to be a reasonable interest here as well, I will post it for those that might be interested.

I began using this method many months ago mainly out of impatience. I was out of benzyl alcohol, and while I had access to HCl, it wasn't accessible when I wanted to begin my IGF-1 LR3 cycle. I decided to use plain ol' grocery store Distilled White Vinegar. I used the following, which has worked out really well for me....and the feedback I have had from others that I have shared it with has been positive so far. So here it is for anyone that is interested:

The calculation:

Distilled white vinegar is supposed to be standardized to ~5% acetic acid, which would make it 850mM. To get it to the recommended 100mM, you'd want 11.76% white vinegar (100mM/850mM = 11.76%). Since it would be almost impossible to draw out 11.76IU's, I round this to 12, which is certainly going to be close to our desired 100mM.

The filtering process:

I use off the shelf grocery store distilled white vinegar. In order to ensure safety, I filter it using .20u whatman filters. Here is the step by step for those that may not be familiar with filtering using whatmans. What you will want to have on hand before starting out is some sterile vials, some .20u whatman filters, some syringes and needles (I use a 10cc syringe, and .23 gauge 1" needles), and some alcohol swabs.

(1) First draw up about 10cc of the distilled white vinegar

(2) screw on the .20u whatman to the 10cc syringe (or whatever size you use)

(3) screw on a .23 gauge needle (or whatever size you decide to use)

(4) take your sterile vial, swab the top with alcohol, insert a needle for venting.

(5) Insert your syringe/whatman/needle apparatus and slowly push the 10cc's into the sterile vial.

Now you have safe vinegar to use for your reconstituting.

Reconstituting:

How much water/vinegar you reconstitute with is going to somewhat depend on which IGF-1 LR3 you are using. Igtropin is shipped in 100mcg vials, which I usually reconstitute at 1ml(cc) per 100mcg vial. The gropep based IGF-1's are primarily shipped in 1mg vials, and I usually use 3ml - 5mls for these. At any rate, what I do is:


(1) take an alcohol swab and swab the tops of my water, vinegar solution, and IGF-1 vials

(2) take a 3cc syringe with a 23 gauge, 1" needle and draw out .12 cc's of vinegar for the 100mcg vials or .36 cc's(if 3ml) - .60cc's(if 5ml) for the 1mg vials.

(3) next I take this syringe and draw out the water - .88cc's for 100mcg, 2.64cc's(if 3ml) to 4.4cc's(if 5ml) for the 1mg.

*****I realize that I can't get this kind of precision, but I get it as close as possible******

(4) next i poke the needle into the IGF-1 LR3 vial and dribble this solution down the side of the vial, avoid any direct spray on the lyophilized powder until all of the dilutent is in the vial

(5) using a gentle swirling motion, I reconstitute the powder.

(6) I stick the vial in the fridge and it is now ready for use.

Well, I think that about sums it up. Hope this helps some people who have maybe been wondering about using vinegar to reconstitute. I would advise that if you end up using Igtropin, you avoid using BA....use this vinegar method for sure. Igtropin and BA do not get along well together at all.
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I've seen this post a few times, on different boards

The problem I have with this method is that it says to mix the AA and the water together and that I believe is misleading the IGF should only be reconstituted with AA only and the water just used at time of injection.

Below is a couple of quotes from other areas


LR3-IGF-1 Reconstitution Instructions:

1mg of lyophilized LR3-IGF-1


Inject 1ml of AA solution into your vial of IGF,be cautious of the
vacuum in the IGF vial.You will need to control the syringe plunger
so the AA does not forcefully spray down onto the IGF powder.I
would suggest 'venting' the vial first to release this vacuum.You
want to trickle it down the side of the vial slowly and then swirl
the solution gently to mix it into a clear solution.

On a 1ml slin pin each tick is 20mcg of IGF.Draw out the
appropriate amount of IGF and then switch to your vial of sodium
chloride water to dilute it.That's all there is to it.

The most important points I would like to make clear are:

THE ONLY THING that comes in contact with the powder IGF is
the acetic acid(AA) solution being injected into its vial.NOTHING
ELSE is ever injected
into your vial of IGF concentrate,ONLY the AA.You suck up the
sodium chloride water separately.

DO NOT use BA to mix this IGF.That can/will work for gropep IGF
and some others perhaps,but it will turn this chinese produced IGF
into a sludge.Dont do it.

From Omegalabs forum

Ok, guys you can mix your IGF 2 ways, with Bwater or with out. IF you don't plan on using Bwater simply draw the proper amount(your choice) of MCGs into your slin pin and inject. SIMPLE!

Now if you plan to use Bwater along with your IGF LISTEN CAREFULLY!!
FIRST, you draw the IGF in the pin(your choice of MCGs. DO NOT DRAW WATER INTO YOUR PIN FIRST BECAUSE YOU RISK DRIPING WATER INTO YOUR MAIN VIAL AND DAMAGING YOUR IGF DUE TO THE TIME FACTOR IN WATER!! After you draw your IGF you then proceed to draw up your water. You can use any amount of water you choose but i recommend just fill it up but leave enough room in the pin so the liquid has room to stir and mix together. Once mixed with water you need to take it immediately!! IGF CAN ONLY SURVIVE IN WATER FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME!! Thats it!!

REMEMBER IGF FIRST, WATER SECOND and you will never have a problem.

Hope this clears things up!
 
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Bigfoot

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LOL HEY THATS MINE!thats from my old list :)
and no..u never want to put anytihng into the igf vial except the aa.the water is added to the slin pin only.seperately.u put water into your igf vial,might as well just chuck it in the trash.

its easier to use 2ml acetic acid because it is easier to measure later when
you draw it
into a syringe.

after removing the vacuum SLOWLY add AA to the vial. try not to let the
stream of aa hit the powder directly, try to let it run down the glass into
the powder. when the aa is in gently swirl the vial until all is disolved.
do not shake.

a 1ml syringe is marked like this llll10llll20llll30llll40llll50llll60...etc
a 1/2 ml syringe is like this llll5llll10llll15llll20llll25llll30

on a 1ml each line represents 2 units 2,4,6,8,10
on a 1/2 ml each line is 1 unit 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. this makes it easier
to measure.

so if you use 1ml of aa, on a 1ml pin, each line is 20mcg. on a 1/2ml pin
each line is 10mcg

if you use 2ml of aa, on a 1ml pin each line is 10mcg, on a 1/2 ml each line
is 5mcg...the 5line is 25mcg, 10 line is 50mcg...etc

so you see that the easiest way to measure is using 2ml and a 1/2ml pin

your igf is stored in aa solution, nacl is added to dilute at the time of
research. draw twice as much nacl as igf. so if you draw igf to the ten
line, draw nacl to the 30 line and you are ready to go.

haney99 said:
I've seen this post a few times, on different boards

The problem I have with this method is that it says to mix the AA and the water together and that I believe is misleading the IGF should only be reconstituted with AA only and the water just used at time of injection.

Below is a couple of quotes from other areas


LR3-IGF-1 Reconstitution Instructions:

1mg of lyophilized LR3-IGF-1


Inject 1ml of AA solution into your vial of IGF,be cautious of the
vacuum in the IGF vial.You will need to control the syringe plunger
so the AA does not forcefully spray down onto the IGF powder.I
would suggest 'venting' the vial first to release this vacuum.You
want to trickle it down the side of the vial slowly and then swirl
the solution gently to mix it into a clear solution.

On a 1ml slin pin each tick is 20mcg of IGF.Draw out the
appropriate amount of IGF and then switch to your vial of sodium
chloride water to dilute it.That's all there is to it.

The most important points I would like to make clear are:

THE ONLY THING that comes in contact with the powder IGF is
the acetic acid(AA) solution being injected into its vial.NOTHING
ELSE is ever injected
into your vial of IGF concentrate,ONLY the AA.You suck up the
sodium chloride water separately.

DO NOT use BA to mix this IGF.That can/will work for gropep IGF
and some others perhaps,but it will turn this chinese produced IGF
into a sludge.Dont do it.

From Omegalabs forum

Ok, guys you can mix your IGF 2 ways, with Bwater or with out. IF you don't plan on using Bwater simply draw the proper amount(your choice) of MCGs into your slin pin and inject. SIMPLE!

Now if you plan to use Bwater along with your IGF LISTEN CAREFULLY!!
FIRST, you draw the IGF in the pin(your choice of MCGs. DO NOT DRAW WATER INTO YOUR PIN FIRST BECAUSE YOU RISK DRIPING WATER INTO YOUR MAIN VIAL AND DAMAGING YOUR IGF DUE TO THE TIME FACTOR IN WATER!! After you draw your IGF you then proceed to draw up your water. You can use any amount of water you choose but i recommend just fill it up but leave enough room in the pin so the liquid has room to stir and mix together. Once mixed with water you need to take it immediately!! IGF CAN ONLY SURVIVE IN WATER FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME!! Thats it!!

REMEMBER IGF FIRST, WATER SECOND and you will never have a problem.

Hope this clears things up!
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Bigfoot

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Grunt76 said:
May I ask why not? I quite liked the product, myself.
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i am not into bashing competitors so ill just say to many 'mixed reviews' and leave it at that.and the kicker..price..ouch
 
Grunt76

Grunt76

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ruffian3 said:
how long is the igf good for in the aa solution
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In 100nM AA solution, Long R3 IGF-1 remains 100% stable after one year at 98 degrees F

Storage of LR3 IGF-1
*Study conducted by Gropep

The stability of a liquid solution of LR3IGF-I was monitored for a period of two years at storage conditions of -20 C, +4 C, +22 C, and +37 C. The final concentration of LR3IGF-I was in acetic acid. At various time points, samples were taken and compared to a lyophilized control (stored at 4 C). Listed below are the stability results for each respective storage condition.


Storage Condition: -20 C (-4 F)
Biological Potency No Change up to 2 years
Immunological Activity No Change up to 2 years
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 2 years
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 2 years

Storage Condition: +4 C (39.2 F)
Biological Potency No Change up to 2 years
Immunological Activity No Change up to 2 years
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 2 years
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 2 years

Storage Condition: +22 C (71.6 F)
Biological Potency No Change up to 2 years
Immunological Activity No Change up to 2 years
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 2 years
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 2 years

Storage Condition: +37 C (98.6 F)
Biological Potency No Change up to 1 year
Immunological Activity No Change up to 1 year
Mobility of Protein No Change up to 1 year
Elution Profile by reversed phased HPLC No Change up to 1 year

In conclusion, there is no significant difference in the potency of LR3IGF-I associated with the storage of the liquid formulation when stored at this range of temperatures. There is no evidence for loss of biological activity at any of the tested temperatures when stored as a liquid product. As you can see IGF can be quite stable for even a year at room temperature, but if you want to keep it around for a while then stick it into the fridge. So in my opinion the best way to store LR3 that is suspended in BA (benzoic acid) is in the freezer. The BA won’t allow it to freeze. And if you have it suspended in AA (acetic acid), store it in the fridge.
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Acadian

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silntrunin said:
Heres a little info on reconstituding IGF and how to store. Credit LA for posting this on another board.

Conversion From LA @ MC
I do IM injects but to prepare it here's an easy way.
It comes in 1000mcg per ml.
Take 2 ml of of bacteriostatic water water an add it to the vial it came with. Now you have 1000mcg per 3 ml.
Take 2 slin pins and fill them from the vial. Each pin holds 1ml. Freeze these pins. Each pin will have 333mcg in them and there will be 333mcg left in vial.
Add 2 more ml of of bacteriostatic water to what's remaining in the vial. This gives you 333mcg in 3 ml or approx 100mcg per ml. Now you can use a slin pin to measure out the amount. 30mcg would be 30 on a slin pin, 40 would be 40 and so on.
When you run out, take one of the frozen pins and add it to an empty vial. Add 2 ml of of bacteriostatic water and you have the same solution as before (333mcg in 3 ml or approx 100mcg per ml).
I do mine 5on/2off at 30mcg for 4 weeks. So I end going through 2/3 of a 1000mcg a cycle. So for every 2000mg purchased I get 3 cycles worth.
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I've tried this, but now I'm reading about IGF losing its potency quickly when reconstituted in BW. Wouldn't this method kill the IGF?
 
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Bigfoot

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i dont see the point of clusterfucking the process as outlined above.i wonder if he is using bunk igf that way...the only possible thing i can think of is MAYBE being frozer prevents degradation,personally i doubt it and i have no real reason to believe this,just brainstorming.
why anyone would use bw instead of aa is beyond me
 
Grunt76

Grunt76

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The lower the temperature, the slower it will degrade. When the solution turns solid, the IGF-1 is destroyed. That is why IGF-1 in BA in the freezer was OK - it was kept at a VERY low temperature, slowing down degradation to a crawl, and it didn't turn solid, as pure alcohol tends not to get solid easily.
 
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zipp909

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I just put 1cc of bac water in my IGF. After realizing what I did I immediatly put in 1cc of aa. How long can i now store it for?
 
rated_rko

rated_rko

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i have 1cc 27g 1/2 insulin syringes and i wanna do about 60 or 80 mcg of igf lr3....how much would i need to draw from my igf for this amount...im a newb at mixing it myself my buddy usually does it for me...
 
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eve

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Cycle test,tren and igf

Do you think Cyponate, Trenbolon 100mg and IGF is a good stack for good massive quality gains could you advice on if i should use hgh and insulin also, and what brand of igf you recommend?

thanks bro!
 
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