HCG use and PCT IMO
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shrpskn
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^ It can be effectively administered either way...I prefer sub-Q, left & right of the navel.
Respect,
Respect,
Onslaught81
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** has been promoting low-dose HCG = 500iu/EOD etc.... for a VERY long time. Most ignored it. I have tried it and am currently 'on' it and it is working much better than the old 1500iu EOD crap which created too much estrogen and bloated me 26lb in 12 days 9 years ago! 500iu/IM M/W/F is more than enough...And I'm on tren and finishing dbol until the tren fully kicks in.
Double
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Eleven11, I agree with you on using HCG during cycle, but I have used this for shorter cycles, where HPTA suppression is usually not as harsh due to duration and the fact that I don't use megadoses and more than 3 AAS compounds at a time (usually not even 3). I've had good success with it too. Longer cycles....yes HCG would be a must while on. One thing/problem with HCG as of lately is that I have found less and less people carrying it.
As for what I put in bold...I have meant and thought of doing the HCG a little bit earlier (approximately the time of my last shot say of AAS or appoximately 2 weeks before ending AAS), but I really just haven't got around to trying it yet, because I was running some PH/prosteroids and switched over to S-4. I will give it a try most likely after this run.
I completly understand what you mean when you say this is your opinion on HCG. Honestly, I will probably give yours a try in the near future. I respect your opinion and the fact that you are confident enough in your HCG use to post it as information for others. I don't doubt that it doesn't work, it seems to make sense to me. My initial post was to let people know that it can be used effectively PCT; and therefore saying it wasn't for PCT at all was wrong or a misconception.
Questions for you...
1. Do you have a link or scanned image of HCG use regarding the spike 72 hours later? It that Sub-q or IM?
2. In your protocol, is HCG Sub-q or IM?
I read about the spike in the old anabolic reference guide 6th edition. and have seen it elsewhere.
Ive always done subq but curious to see if any difference IM. I could see how IM would enter bloodstream faster.........11
Double
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I have the Anabolics 2007, which is the 6th edition. I will try to find it. I don't know how I could of missed that. It always good to see when people base their methods and protocols on science/studies, but science doesn't always work like it does on paper and thats when personal experience comes in. Much respect for you Eleven11. Thanks for the fast reply.
Thats not where I read it. ARG 6th edition was writen in early '90's by Bill Phillips. Very good book for its time when there wasn't much out there........11
Solo48
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Nolvadex (or a real AI) during immediate post-cycle HCG use is necessary because the HCG raises estro too. But the AAS from your cycle won't yet have cleared your system (in most cases) so the Nolva or Clomid is not technically for post-cycle therapy – in terms of recovery of your HPTA. The Nolva (or other AI) is for protection from the estro from using HCG to regain testicular size. IF you continue using HCG during your actual PCT (for HPTA recovery purposes), usually beginning two to three weeks after your last AAS injection, you will be defeating your purpose, that is, recovery of your full HPTA function. HCG should be used post-cycle, yes: the day after your last AAS injection. But it should not be used during the recovery or therapy part (Post-Cycle Therapy) of your PCT, which, as I say, usually begins two to three weeks after your last AAS inject. Therefore, you have a window of two to three weeks to use HCG (along with protection like Nolva or, better, Adex) before beginning your actual post-cycle therapy.
Solo
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I take it your mean with hcg in them? Id say no time frame, the syringe is sterol and its in the fridge. If your using BW the HCG is good for 60days so even in a syringe Id say its fine..........11
grb2000
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No still doing subq, Gh/IGF I'll do IM.............11
johnybravoe
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? for Eleven
Hey 11, i want to run Hcg pre-pct. Ive been running it throughout my Test E/TrenE cycle at 500mcg e5d. So just to be clear i have to run it for 14 days, starting after my last shot at the same dosage? and then start my PCT?
Hey 11, i want to run Hcg pre-pct. Ive been running it throughout my Test E/TrenE cycle at 500mcg e5d. So just to be clear i have to run it for 14 days, starting after my last shot at the same dosage? and then start my PCT?
Correct but after your last shot of HCG (day14) wait 4 days (day18 after test shot) to start your PCT...............11
johnybravoe
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ok bro, thanks alot. the 500mcg e5d will be enough though? i read some threads were guys take higher doses during that time. just want to b sure.thanks
I would think since your on HCG the whole cycle that should be enough. If you feel your boys aren't up to par after your last test shot then maybe try 500iu 2xwk during those 2wks and see how they respond, just don't go over 2,000iu wk IMO..............11
Yeah Buddeh!
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If one is on TRT, is HCG ever necessary? Because i feel that i have low test and will probably get on TRT but when i took test in the past with no HCG, my sex drive would fall after 8 weeks. What are your thoughts?
If its Doc perscibed TRT, HCG might be a part of it,,,, not sure, never been on TRT.
If your doing a TRT dose on your own I would use small amounts from time to time as you feel needed. Since TRT is full time try to use as little as possible to get the job done, (thats always the case anyway) say 300-500ius E5D for a few months then MAYBE take a month off ?? or just stay on low dose. But if this is Doc perscibed then talk with him about it............11