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Old 01-04-2009, 01:39 AM
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ďYOUR FIRST CYCLEĒ Ė Walkthrough by Phreezer

I wrote this a few years ago for meso but I think it will fit in nicely here as well... I also updated it for 2009

First things first... I AM NOT A DOCTOR! I do not believe in the real use of Steroids. I believe that for Role playing purposes it is fine to discuss the use, but no one SHOULD ever take steroids unless they are under the direct supervision of a doctor!!! Do NOT take what I say Seriously, This thread and all posts that I make on this board are not to be used for real world application. EVERYTHING I SAY IS FOR ROLE PLAYING PURPOSES ONLY! AGAIN!! DO NOT USE ANY KIND OF ILLEGAL DRUGS!

This thread is intended for the ďInexperiencedĒ AAS user. In this thread
I will cover Simple steroid administration and three simple cycles. Along with simple Post cycle recovery, all in One place, so you donít have to search multiple threads. If youíre about to do your first cycle, I hope you will find this thread beneficial.

Iíll begin with the basics, Needle size, Drawing your oil from a vial,
And injection techniques.

NEEDLE SIZE: Typical needle size for most oils is 22 Ė 25 gauge 1Ē Ė 1 ĹĒ.
For ease of use, I am recommending glute shots. For these I suggest a 24gauge
1 ĹĒ Needle. (A good cheap place to get needles is the needle beast here ... and I'm not just saying that because they are a sponsor here. They really do have a good product that is very cheaply priced compared to most online places and way cheaper than your local pharmacy).
These sites also sell amp openers which is something I also recommend.

A bit of advice from experience. When you buy your syringes order the ones with a 1 1/2 inch 22 gauge needle already on them. Then order an equal amount of 1 inch 25 gauge needles. You simply use the 22 gauge needle to draw with then unscrew if from the syringe and screw on the new clean sterile 25 gauge needle and inject... (read below for more instructions)

DRAWING OIL: First, Remove the cap from your needle; draw back about 1 cc of air.
Insert the needle into the rubber stopper on the vial; slowly push the air inside the vial.
This will increase the pressure inside of the vial making the process of drawing the oil
Easier. Now draw the desired amount. Remove the needle and cap it. Unscrew the old needle and put a new needle on the syringe. Drawing will always dull a Needle. Dull needles hurt, and needles are too cheap to be stingy with them. Change the needle!
Next, turn the syringe up (needle tip up) and slowly press the plunger Until you have a couple of drops of oil come out of the tip, you can tap the syringe to get Any small air bubbles out but it isnít necessary. For opening amps, obviously an amp opener is easiest. However if you donít have one or simply donít want to bother with getting one itís not that big of a deal. Using a metal file, score the neck of the amp all the way around the amp. Wrap the amp in a Klenex and snap off the top. Inspect the oil for any glass fragments, very rarely do any glass fragments ever get inside the amp. Set the amp down on a flat level surface. Uncap your syringe and put the needle all the way to the bottom of the amp inside one of the corners. Slowly and steadily, draw the oil from the amp by pulling back on the plunger, If your careful, you wonít have to change the needle. If you bump the needle into the glass bottom of the amp, you should probably change it. Believe it or not, this will seriously dull a needle. And Dull needles Hurt.

EDIT: NEW TIP for opening amps. Omnas are great for this. there is a little white dot on the upper neck of the amp. Face that white dot away from you body and if you apply just a little bit of pressure the top snaps right off. No broken glass, no amp opener and no paper towels or scoring the amps with a file. I learned that the dots are indicators for medical personal on how to open amps.

INJECTION TECHNIQUE: You may want to experiment with your injections on an orange before you move onto your body. Locate the outer middle/upper section of your glute. For a picture go to www.spotinjections.com there is even a video that will show you the entire process. The correct injection site is critical. Believe me, you donít want to
Put a needle into your sciatic nerve. Using your free hand take three fingers and stretch the skin over your injection site. This will keep the needle from bouncing off your skin and will also reduce bleeding and oil leakage after you remove the needle. The hole made
By the injection will become covered by the skin you stretched out of the way.
When you start your injection insert the needle in straight, do not go at a funny angle or move your hand around while inserting. When you insert the needle you may want to go slow (Trust me, it really isnít that painful). Push the needle all the way in, using two fingers pull the plunger back about a quarter of an inch; check for air bubbles (You should see a couple of small air bubbles come in the chamber of the syringe when pulling back on the plunger) [This is called ďASPIRATINGĒ Never inject any where in your body without first ASPIRATING] If you pull back on the plunger and blood comes into the syringe, Immediately REMOVE the needle from your glute; Your about to inject into a vein and that would be very bad. In fact it can even be dangerous. These types of embolisms are extremely rare like one in a million. Usually the vein will just collapse but worse case scenario the oil could get to your heart and lungs and this would be very painful and potentially deadly. (Again, this is like a one in a million shot... but why take chances? So Aspirate everytime and you'll never have to worry about it)

Now back to Injecting.

Youíve put the needle in, youíve aspirated, and youíve got a couple of air bubbles. Now slowly and steadily inject the oil until the syringe is empty. Remember to not inject too fast. Slow down on your injection speed. The muscle can only absorb so much oil so fast. And it's different at different spots in your body. Larger muscles can absorb the oil a little faster than smaller muscles like delts. IIRC muscle tissue can only absorb about 1ml of oil in somewhere around 8-10 seconds. I think it's 12-15 seconds for smaller muscle like delts. If you inject faster than that the fluid will seep out of the injection site.

Now that you're done injecting remove the needle; with an alcohol treated cotton ball apply slight pressure to the injected site and massage gently for about 30 seconds to help disperse the oil. Thatís it. Be sure to properly dispose of your needles. Itís not fair to Otto the garbage man if he has to get stuck with one of your used needles because you were too lazy to dispose of it properly.

I hope this didnít sound Complicated, because it really isnít. Believe me, I played ball with guys who used AAS, and they couldnít spell their names the same way twice in a row. If these idiots can do it, so can you.

Now onto cycles. All cycles will be 10 weeks in length and involve bi-weekly injections.

CYCLE ONE: So easy your grandmother might consider going on. This is a test only cycle. I am using Sustanon in this example but enanthate or cypionate can be used in the same manner. I like sustanon because itís cheap, itís readily available, itís quick acting, and itís very effective. Later on Youíll learn Sustanon is better EOD because of the proprionate in it, but for your First cycle, this method of BI weekly injections will be VERY effective.

Week 1-10: 500mg Sustanon
250mg per injection. Alternate Glutes.

I donít believe frontloading is really necessary for a first cycle and sustanon is self tapering so you donít need to worry about slowly lowering the dosage (I believe tapering off is Bullshit anyway, but some people believe in it) Iíll address it if anyone wants me to.

CYCLE TWO: Sustanon and Deca. (Once again Iím using Sustanon as the example but the substitution of Enanthate or Cypionate will yield similar results.

Deca is very good for strength and is helpful in allowing you to keep your gains. It does have some negative side effects. The worst of these being ďDeca DickĒ Deca shuts down the bodyís production of testosterone rather quickly. By itself you will lose your sex drive almost completely. Without Testosterone you will find it difficult to achieve and maintain an erection. (Captain Winky Just wonít stand at attention) This is why it is always recommended to stack Deca with some form of test. Deca also takes longer to clear your system. That is why one will typically stop administering Deca about two weeks prior to the conclusion of your cycle.

Weeks 1-8: 500mg Sustanon, 300mg Deca
1st weekly injection 250mg Sust, 2nd weekly Injection 250mg Sustanon, 300mg Deca
Weeks 9-10: 500mg Sustanon
1st weekly injection 250mg Sust, 2nd weekly Injection 250mg Sustanon

CYCLE THREE: Sustanon, Deca, D-bol

This time we are going to add an oral to the cycle. The injectables will be administered in the same manner as CYCLE TWO.

D-bol is one of the better oral steroids out there, and stacks very well with test and deca. Itís been around for a long time. Arnold was once even quoted saying ďD-bol the breakfast of championsĒ. However D-bol isnít candy and should be used correctly.
D-bol is 17-alkylated, and as with most orals is hard on the liver. Because of this I recommend buying some Milk thistle and supplementing this along with your cycle. D-bol is fast acting and will give you slight strength and slight mass gains rather quickly.
Some of the sides of D-bol are increased water retention, increased blood pressure, itchy skin, redness of neck and ears. All of these symptoms are fairly mild and differ from person to person. You may experience none of these, some of these or all of these. Everyone is different. Just monitor yourself and if you become too uncomfortable stop using the d-bol.

Weeks 1-4: D-bol 25-30mg ED (Broken up over three dosages through the day) 500mg Sustanon, 300mg Deca
Weeks 5-8: 500mg Sustanon, 300mg Deca
Weeks 9-10: 500mg Sustanon

THATíS IT!

Any of these cycles will give you good results providing your training, diet, and rest are all up to par. These cycles will also help give you a better understanding of AAS administration. Whichever one of these cycles you try may depend on your comfort level, your fear, or some financial restriction.

I feel that post cycle recovery needs to be addressed. There is so much information on these available in current threads that I decided to leave it out. If anyone needs info on This I will add it to this thread.

Ok, Here is the addition of Post cycle recovery that I promised. I also added something about opening amps in the drawing your oils section.

EDIT: I feel this info on PCT is out dated and I feel there are much better methods out there now than the way we used to do it.

Currently I believe that running 500 IU's of HCG 2x weekly throughout your entire cycle and for an additional for 4 weeks after is a good protocal. I like arimidex for PCT also and think that taking 1/2mg EOD should be added in the day after your last shot and run for the four weeks with the HCG. THis has been a succesful PCT plan for me in the past. I used to only believe in HCG at the end of a cycle but I had a good buddy talk me into using it during the cycle and it kept testicular atrophy completely away even in weeks 10 and 12.

Some guys may have some better plans out there.. but this is kind of a cookie cutter outline to give you some basic ideas.
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Old 01-04-2009, 02:03 AM
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Nice post and should answer a lot of questions so they are not posted over and over again.
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Old 01-04-2009, 02:06 AM
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good one phreezer....u always have good info
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Old 01-04-2009, 02:10 AM
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I updated it a little bit in places to improve it and to share some more experience I've gained over the years... I think this "latest editon" (lol) is much better than the old one.
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Thanks phreezer. question I am 184lbs and currently cutting to get to 10% bf.
I am 16% now. So the math would say I'll be around 155lbs when I get to 10%. I am 6 foot and one half inches. At this weight can I start with 400mg of Test pw? I'd like to have room to move up 100mg on the next cycle. Basically I'm asking if 400mg pw is enoughf for a first cycle test only.
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Absolutely. 400mg's of test will work nicely for you while cutting. In fact if you're cutting serious weight, IMO anything more than 300-400mg a week is a little bit of a waste of gear.

Now, no need to worry. You don't have to increase dosage per cycle. You can take 400 now or you can take 400 next time too. You'll get good results from those amounts. The main issue is going to be proper diet and proper training. The testosterone is there to mainly offset the catabolism that takes palce due to caloric restriction... You're not going to add a bunch of muscle and drop a lot of fat eating in a caloric deficit and upping your cardio big time.

Also to note, a very common thing for most men who begin using a minimum of 500mg weekly of test for growth experience a dramatic increase in lean muscular body mass while a decrease in fat stores on the body. Testosterone helps to natuarlly keep us lean. Muscle is more active than fat... SO the more muscle you have on your body the higher your resting metabolic rate will be which translates into you buring more calories while your resting and recovering. Also, guys who first go on tend to watch what they eat a lot closer. They get much better quality protein. Reduce lower quality fat consumption and get better fats like Omegas and olive oil etc.... a better diet means leaner body mass... Test and enough calories combined with a good workout and sleep routine (avoid alcohal almost all together) will definitly change your whole physique and allow you to reach your goal.
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bumping this up before I go to bed.....


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been using aas for the last 6 or so years. every time i visit this board i learn something new. even if its something that is so simple. great post.
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Awesome post Phreezer. I found this when I first came on last fall, it was really helpful to me. Now that I'm actually posting too, I'd like to say thanks. The post is really easy to follow, and I don't believe you've left any small detail out. Very thorough, nice work.
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Hey, thanks for the info. I was just wondering what your thoughts on intra-cycle prevention of estrogenic effects are. Do you think its prudent to run .5 mg of armidex every other day or use nolva everyday?
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Hey, thanks for the info. I was just wondering what your thoughts on intra-cycle prevention of estrogenic effects are. Do you think its prudent to run .5 mg of armidex every other day or use nolva everyday?
Thanks!

If you have any problems with estrogenic side effects .5mg of arimidex 2x weekly usually will do the trick. You can also try running 10-20mg Nolvadex 3x weekly as well.. I recommend using the least amount that is necessary. If you start to develop gyno then this goes out the window.. you'll want to start using the nolvadex ED atleast 20mg for about 10 days until the problem starts to go away then cut back to an amount that manages to keep the gyno away.

Remember, blocking all the estrogen in your body is bad. You need some for healthy functioning.
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i read this at the meso board--it was the first faq i'd read and it's exactly how i do my injections.

can we make this a sticky?
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very nice post ..... kept me occupied and increased the knowledge...
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how much milk thistle should you take with dbol
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I think it's over rated... Regular recommended dosage on the bottle is fine.
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good job Pheezer. I remember this from Meso, good idea reposting here........11
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awesome sticky Phreezer! Gonna give these cycles a shot, and i like how you have laid it all out on a silver platter!

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I have read a lot of first cycle faq's but this is one of the better written ones, thanks for sharing.
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Phreezer;

I've read many threads on Test cycles and there seems to be a preference for some to use Aromasin as opposed to Nolva. Can you shed some light on this? Is there a better use case for one vs. another?

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You suggest sust or test-c / test-e, but I'm sitting on test-p now. I've used deca and winstrol but never test. How should I use test-p for the first time? Thanks.
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Any place for primo in early cycles?
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i was wondering about the second cycle... im 6'6 265lbs and am wanting to reach around 300lbs leanish and solid... would the second cycle be more beneficial that say for instance your first example? and i heard i should wait about a year to try GH... any input would be great... thanx
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i was wondering about the second cycle... im 6'6 265lbs and am wanting to reach around 300lbs leanish and solid... would the second cycle be more beneficial that say for instance your first example? and i heard i should wait about a year to try GH... any input would be great... thanx
I think the second cycle would do nicely. However, you can't cut and bulk at the same time. You need to choose which one you want to do.

Wrt to GH. I'd say you need to have more than one or two cycles under your belt before you start sticking yourself ED with GH..

With that said I don't really have GH experience so I'm not going to offer any advice on it
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