I am a newbie to GH, and have some questions

[ThePerpetrator]

I will start out be a man and owning up to the fact that I know VERY LITTLE about GH, but want to.

I have been reading much recently on GH, IGF, and most recently Insulin.

Putting serious thought about running GH in the next few months. I have a few questions for and vets in the field. They are rather basic questions and really anyone could answer these, but am really looking for bros who have tried what I am looking into doing.

Questions:

1) What manufacturer seems to be on top of the others? Read about Humatrope needing half of others like Jino, why is that?

2) Dosing? Heard split throughout the day, all at night before bed, PWO? What seems to work?

3) Empty stomach, full? Follow a specific diet, or just continue to eat my already clean diet of 3500 calories maintenance?

4) Stacking? It will be my first time using. I know I will not be on AAS for the duration of the GH. should I start out with a stack of Test and maybe something else like Deca?

5) Duration of the GH. I was thinking at least 4 months. Would like to go 6-8 as I have read the longer the better, but the cost may hinder that?

6) Duration VS. dose??? If I could stay on 3iu for 8 months instead of 6iu for 4 lets say, would the 3iu method be better?


Again I am somewhat of a newb to GH... I am sure there are MUCH more questions I should be asking, so let me know of anything else I should know or missed.

Thanks fellas,

Perp

 

[jbigdog69]

I will start out be a man and owning up to the fact that I know VERY LITTLE about GH, but want to.

I have been reading much recently on GH, IGF, and most recently Insulin.

Putting serious thought about running GH in the next few months. I have a few questions for and vets in the field. They are rather basic questions and really anyone could answer these, but am really looking for bros who have tried what I am looking into doing.

Questions:

1) What manufacturer seems to be on top of the others? Read about Humatrope needing half of others like Jino, why is that? Ans. HUmatrope..NUtropin..Saizen..Serostim..Ansomone..Jino (I have put these is order of choice) Problem with most of the Amercian GH is it is hard to find on the black maret without being a fake (even from good sources). There is a molecular process when making GH...the more strict this process (audited by the FDA) the better the process. There has been bad batches of all of these growth hormones except the chinese that has been pulled from the market due to lack of weight and or chemical balance or non-stability when audited by the FDA. So in other words if you get a bad batch of GH from china then thats just the way ot is.

2) Dosing? Heard split throughout the day, all at night before bed, PWO? What seems to work? This will depend on what you are trying to accomplish. 2iu before bed will provide better sleep and accelerated fat loss. 4iu AM/PM will provide pretty good muscle gains over a 4 month period. The point I have tried to make for years guys is that GH is nothing like aas. The gains are more natural and slower. The bennefit is what you earn is what you keep. I take 2iu pre-workout...it will take the GH at least 1.5 hours to fully absorb at the injection site and take action on the liver to re-lease the Igf-1 we need post workout.

3) Empty stomach, full? Follow a specific diet, or just continue to eat my already clean diet of 3500 calories maintenance? I have never had a problem running a clean diet with "real HGH". Some people have experience hypo situations and will need to adjust carbs about 1.5 after inject time.

4) Stacking? It will be my first time using. I know I will not be on AAS for the duration of the GH. should I start out with a stack of Test and maybe something else like Deca? Once again this depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Always always always use Test at least 500mg when using HGH.

5) Duration of the GH. I was thinking at least 4 months. Would like to go 6-8 as I have read the longer the better, but the cost may hinder that? Rule of thumb is 4 months minimum.

6) Duration VS. dose??? If I could stay on 3iu for 8 months instead of 6iu for 4 lets say, would the 3iu method be better? I would say that the 3iu would be better. Depending on when you workout...I would take 2iu pre-workout and 1iu either AM or PM.


Again I am somewhat of a newb to GH... I am sure there are MUCH more questions I should be asking, so let me know of anything else I should know or missed.

Thanks fellas,

Perp

Answers in black!!

 

[tre]

Well...before I start on this, I'll let you know that I am a newbie as well to GH and IGF-1. I'm sure the vets will add alot of real user experience. But, I have been studying this as well as I plan on using GH and IGF-1 starting in a couple of months.

1) It seems that Humatrope is very good, but also very expensive. There are quite a few bros on various boards using Somatorm rHGH with great results. From what I have read it seems to be the best bang for the buck. Best good results with the least sides. Also very stable. There's a very long post on Anabolex on HGH and IGF-1 that I recommend reading as there is alot of info there. I will be doing both Somatorm rHGH and the same companies IGF-1 long recepter grade, so I'll be able to give you user feedback once I start on it.

2) From what I have read, a shot right when you wake up at least 30 mins before eating (especially carbs) is best and then a 2nd shot right after your workout at least 30 mins before eating (especially carbs).

3) Some is answered in 2). From what I have read, you can eat the same as you normally would. But, you NEED carbs. You don't want to consume them close to when you shoot, but you should every other time. If you are on a diet with very low or no carbs...this wouldn't be good. You can actually get away with eating more carbs as it won't turn to fat as easily on HGH or IGF-1 .

4) I'm going to use HGH and IGF-1 as a bridge between cycles as well as during the latter part of them. I'll start HGH after the first month of my 3 month cycle. I'll add in IGF-1 at the end of the cycle to aid my pct. Anything you take with HGH will be better than it would be without it. But, I think that using it to aid my pct is most beneficial to me personally, so that is what I will do.

5) The longer the better is correct with HGH. Slow and steady muscle gains and slow and steady fat loss. Permanent increase in the number of muscle cells is a great advantage with HGH. I'm going to go for 6 months on with one month off. I'll do this for at least two years while cycling AAS and IGF-1. All depends on what you use and how much you use when figuring out cost. Somatorm is about $350-$400 per 120iu kit. Some of the other brands are MUCH more expensive.

6) I'd say definately go with the 3iu for 8 if that is all you want to run. You'd get good results and less sides from that than a 6iu for 4 months.

I hope this has helped some. Again, I am no expert...just trying to share some of the things I have been studying about. Good luck and keep us posted when you start

Tre

 

[ThePerpetrator]

Thanks much guys!

jbigdog69 always nice to see you first on these questions.

Perp

 

[jbigdog69]

Well...before I start on this, I'll let you know that I am a newbie as well to GH and IGF-1. I'm sure the vets will add alot of real user experience. But, I have been studying this as well as I plan on using GH and IGF-1 starting in a couple of months.

1) It seems that Humatrope is very good, but also very expensive. There are quite a few bros on various boards using Somatorm rHGH with great results. From what I have read it seems to be the best bang for the buck. Best good results with the least sides. Also very stable. There's a very long post on Anabolex on HGH and IGF-1 that I recommend reading as there is alot of info there. I will be doing both Somatorm rHGH and the same companies IGF-1 long recepter grade, so I'll be able to give you user feedback once I start on it.

2) From what I have read, a shot right when you wake up at least 30 mins before eating (especially carbs) is best and then a 2nd shot right after your workout at least 30 mins before eating (especially carbs).

3) Some is answered in 2). From what I have read, you can eat the same as you normally would. But, you NEED carbs. You don't want to consume them close to when you shoot, but you should every other time. If you are on a diet with very low or no carbs...this wouldn't be good. You can actually get away with eating more carbs as it won't turn to fat as easily on HGH or IGF-1 .

4) I'm going to use HGH and IGF-1 as a bridge between cycles as well as during the latter part of them. I'll start HGH after the first month of my 3 month cycle. I'll add in IGF-1 at the end of the cycle to aid my pct. Anything you take with HGH will be better than it would be without it. But, I think that using it to aid my pct is most beneficial to me personally, so that is what I will do.

5) The longer the better is correct with HGH. Slow and steady muscle gains and slow and steady fat loss. Permanent increase in the number of muscle cells is a great advantage with HGH. I'm going to go for 6 months on with one month off. I'll do this for at least two years while cycling AAS and IGF-1. All depends on what you use and how much you use when figuring out cost. Somatorm is about $350-$400 per 120iu kit. Some of the other brands are MUCH more expensive.

6) I'd say definately go with the 3iu for 8 if that is all you want to run. You'd get good results and less sides from that than a 6iu for 4 months.

I hope this has helped some. Again, I am no expert...just trying to share some of the things I have been studying about. Good luck and keep us posted when you start

Tre

FYI..this is re-bottled chinese rHGH. The labels are piss poor and I would shoot straight BA before I inject myself with that stuff!!

 

[jbigdog69]

Well...before I start on this, I'll let you know that I am a newbie as well to GH and IGF-1. I'm sure the vets will add alot of real user experience. But, I have been studying this as well as I plan on using GH and IGF-1 starting in a couple of months.

1) It seems that Humatrope is very good, but also very expensive. There are quite a few bros on various boards using Somatorm rHGH with great results. From what I have read it seems to be the best bang for the buck. Best good results with the least sides. Also very stable. There's a very long post on Anabolex on HGH and IGF-1 that I recommend reading as there is alot of info there. I will be doing both Somatorm rHGH and the same companies IGF-1 long recepter grade, so I'll be able to give you user feedback once I start on it.

2) From what I have read, a shot right when you wake up at least 30 mins before eating (especially carbs) is best and then a 2nd shot right after your workout at least 30 mins before eating (especially carbs).

3) Some is answered in 2). From what I have read, you can eat the same as you normally would. But, you NEED carbs. You don't want to consume them close to when you shoot, but you should every other time. If you are on a diet with very low or no carbs...this wouldn't be good. You can actually get away with eating more carbs as it won't turn to fat as easily on HGH or IGF-1 .

4) I'm going to use HGH and IGF-1 as a bridge between cycles as well as during the latter part of them. I'll start HGH after the first month of my 3 month cycle. I'll add in IGF-1 at the end of the cycle to aid my pct. Anything you take with HGH will be better than it would be without it. But, I think that using it to aid my pct is most beneficial to me personally, so that is what I will do.

5) The longer the better is correct with HGH. Slow and steady muscle gains and slow and steady fat loss. Permanent increase in the number of muscle cells is a great advantage with HGH. I'm going to go for 6 months on with one month off. I'll do this for at least two years while cycling AAS and IGF-1. All depends on what you use and how much you use when figuring out cost. Somatorm is about $350-$400 per 120iu kit. Some of the other brands are MUCH more expensive.

6) I'd say definately go with the 3iu for 8 if that is all you want to run. You'd get good results and less sides from that than a 6iu for 4 months.

I hope this has helped some. Again, I am no expert...just trying to share some of the things I have been studying about. Good luck and keep us posted when you start

Tre

FYI..The El Ramoz Somatorm is re-bottled chinese rHGH. The labels are piss poor and I would shoot straight BA before I inject myself with that stuff!!

 

[tre]

Hmmm.....why all the praise by those who use it? There are guys that have used many different types and put Somatorm up there with Humatrope. Supposedly they are way better than Jins according to many posts I have seen. Gotta love all the inconsistencies and varying opinions and supposed facts . Not saying your wrong.....just frustrated with different info I have been getting from many bros from a few boards.

 

[gopherite]

You guys say that you should always be on 500 MG test while on GH, then say you should be on GH for 8 months...

Does that mean you should be on test for 8 months?!

 

[jbigdog69]

You guys say that you should always be on 500 MG test while on GH, then say you should be on GH for 8 months...

Does that mean you should be on test for 8 months?!

This just means that you should fit in a cycle of test 12 to 15 weeks IMO somewhere in the GH cycle....thats all.

 

[ThePerpetrator]

This just means that you should fit in a cycle of test 12 to 15 weeks IMO somewhere in the GH cycle....thats all.

Bump, good to know since my pocket will already be tapped from the GH

I guess 30 - 40 ICN's cant hurt the wallet too much.

Thanks again jbigdog!

Perp

 

[graybass]

Just so you know, I've always trusted jbigdog's advice on this board.
The Brother's got skills.
Thanks jbd.

 

[ThePerpetrator]

Just so you know, I've always trusted jbigdog's advice on this board.
The Brother's got skills.
Thanks jbd.

Well that says it all, very nice compliment.

 

[jbigdog69]

Hmmm.....why all the praise by those who use it? There are guys that have used many different types and put Somatorm up there with Humatrope. Supposedly they are way better than Jins according to many posts I have seen. Gotta love all the inconsistencies and varying opinions and supposed facts . Not saying your wrong.....just frustrated with different info I have been getting from many bros from a few boards.

Well one thing you have to remember is this...word of mouth amongst thieves or unknowledgable Gh users is CRAP. IMO...the only thing wrong with JINTROPIN is that we have allowed the suppliers to to send it without ice. Keep in mind...if it gets above 40 degrees celcius the insert clearly states that it should not go above that then it starts to die or degrade. If its 90 degrees outside and it is inside a delivery truck for hours then your shit is gonna be less potent. How many times has ur jino been sold and or transfered from hand to hand. Where was it stored before you got it. Who the fuk knows??? Lets put it this way I got mine directly from Gensci and allowed them to send it without ice cuz they said it would be ok. Bullshit!! When I read the insert about the 40 degrees celcius FYI is about 104 degrees Fahrenheit. Now back to the El Ramoz...the reason I believe it is re-labled Ansomone is because it is the same color top and same IU count. It is obviously re-labled cuz it looks like a homemade job. I am sure they will prolly come out with a new label since I have brought all of this out in the open. The other reason I feel this way is because their website product description is word for word or the same as the Ansomeone sight....go figure!!! They are both leaving welts on the user which tells me that it is a 192 amino GH which is a cheaper way to make GH with a methyl amino as a preservative. The reason it works better than JINO is for the reason of storage and delivery in my statement above. El ramoz/Ansomone is protected by this extra amino during delivery making it much more stable during hot or cold situations...even bouncing around a lot. If you are interested in this china GH...you can get it for as low as $2 iu through china ankebio@mail.hf.ah.cn is their direct email. Also, looks like I may be ordering some more JINO except on ice this time...I am prolly gonna put up a post taking pre-orders with about a 2 week delivery ETA...ur money will be fully insured at $260 per kit.

 

[ThePerpetrator]

Also, looks like I may be ordering some more JINO except on ice this time...I am prolly gonna put up a post taking pre-orders with about a 2 week delivery ETA...ur money will be fully insured at $260 per kit.

Ooh, remember my name!!!

 

[tre]

Damn jbigdog69, I appreciate you giving me this info. I had planned on spending quite a bit of money on the Somatorm in about a month (4 Kits) I am DEFINATELY interested in getting in on that preorder of JINO. Please PM me when you are ready to get it going. Also, I had planned on using the El Ramos IGF-1 (3 Kits). I think that if they are selling one bad product, I don't trust them with any of their products. Any suggestions on a good, reasonably priced recepter grade LR3 IGF-1 (powder form--premixed)? Thanks again for looking out bro.

Tre

 

[tre]

What I still don't get is why seemingly good, well-known bros/vets on Anabolex would push Somatorm. They obviously know a great deal about it and if it was rebottled Chinese HGH.....I'm sure they'd know. They just choose not to tell us for some reason. It did seem kinda fishy that they used every opportunity to push the Somatorm and the same companies IGF-1 in every HGH/IGF-1 thread on Anabolex. Then, go to any other form.....won't find anything on Somatorm products. Makes you lose faith in people

 

[jjeb33]

Just so you know, I've always trusted jbigdog's advice on this board.
The Brother's got skills.
Thanks jbd.

will bump taht for sure. has helped me alot this past week.

 

[jbigdog69]

There is very little difference between "real" media grade and receptor grade IGF-1. Omegalabs was the first to start mixing it with proper chemicals to insure stability and temp changes for transport. There is no better Igf-1 than Omegalabs IMO....it is gropep media grade mixed with sufficient 10 mM HCl or 100 mM acetic acid solution to the vial to achieve a peptide concentration of at least 0.1 mg/mL. Dont get played by the hype...Jbig

 

[ThePerpetrator]

There is very little difference between "real" media grade and receptor grade IGF-1. Omegalabs was the first to start mixing it with proper chemicals to insure stability and temp changes for transport. There is no better Igf-1 than Omegalabs IMO....it is gropep media grade mixed with sufficient 10 mM HCl or 100 mM acetic acid solution to the vial to achieve a peptide concentration of at least 0.1 mg/mL. Dont get played by the hype...Jbig

Hey bro quick overview.
Age:32
Height:69"
Weight: 190
BF: 12% and dropping.

I want to run both IGF 5 on 2 off for 4 weeks then 4 off, then again.
Want to run HGH for about 4-6 months, same 5 on 2 off, for cost.
Will run test and maybe another compound/maybe not.
I would like to maximize size increase overall.
What would be a good dose of HGH during this?
Saw you posted 4iu for size, just want to make sure.
4iu with 5 on 2 off is 5 weeks of 100iu?

Just early morning thoughts I have been kicking around.


Perp

 

[jbigdog69]

Would run 6iu of Jin for size. 4iu of huma and or serostim. Would run Omegalabs Igf-1 at 80 to 100mcg ed IM post workout. Also, would add eq to the mix of test. Also, as long as you are running HGH with Igf-1 you can run it for longer than 4 weeks. For those of use using LR3 and noticing gains decreasing after 4-5 weeks, this could very well be due to LR3's suppression of our endogenous GH, which is occuring with use of exogenous IGF-1, and therefore a decreased rate of satellite cell mitosis. The first time I used LR3 I was not using GH at the time, and my gains seemed to slow at the 4 week mark. I'd heard others having the same effects, so I wrote it off as a fact that 4 week cycles were the best, beyond which, gains were harder to achieve. On subsequent cycles of LR3, I have always been using GH with them but have stopped the cycles after 4 weeks due to my earlier conclusion that gains slowed substantially after 4 weeks. Next cycle will be as long as I continue to see good gains, since I'll be using GH along with it again. Man I should be made a fukin Mod here for all this info Im giving out..lol Peace JBig
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