Greetings all. Would someone please guide me?

[gorebreath]

I'm 32 years old.
6'1 175 lbs. Current weight.
Body type: ecto/mesomorph . skinny upper body, small joints but I have really big muscular legs and large feet. My hips are big too. Small chest and small upper arms though.

I've been doing Muay Thai and bjj for 3 years.
I've been weight training since I was 20.
Consistent strength gains but I have insane metabolism so my weight doesn't go up very easily.

I work as a bouncer and I'm an aspiring actor and I'm really trying to beef up for the particular roles I'll be auditioning for.

I made an appointment to get my blood work done so I can be informed as possible with what's happening in my body but There are no trt clinics where I Iive unfortunately. My PCP seems to lack any knowledge on the subject as well.

my ultimate goals:
To bulk up by 30-40 lbs I'll be working with a trainer and I'm going to do a lot less cardio, I'd like to get as big and imposing as possible for my roles without negatively impacting my martial arts training. If I get too big it will effect my performance.

I'm very lean and cutting is easy for me.
Therefore I'm focused more on bulking . I'm not so worried about putting on some fat if it means bulking up.

I've tried to spend a lot of time on research and thought a lot about this over the past year and a half . I've come to the conclusion I should start with a simple beginner cycle.
I want my first cycle to count and I don't wanna fuck it up.

Should I go with test cyp or eth? I hear eth is better for convenience as there are fewer weekly injections.

How much will an oral kickstart effect my cycle in a positive/negative way? Is it even worth it first cycle?
If there is significant improvements I may consider it.

Im married and I wanna fuck my wife I don't want my balls to disintegrate. I told hcg is good to take during the test cycle to keep them working?

How much should I worry about using Ai's during first cycle? Should I take it only if Im actually experiencing the sides like gyno or whatever or is it smarter to take it as a prevention measure? I know it can be toxic to take too much.

I don't know that much obviously but I'm very dedicated to my career and my physique.

Thanks in advance to any who read my post.

 

[Warrior]

Read through the beginners forum. You’ll find what you need and a lot more that you didn’t even know you should know. Good luck brother, welcome aboard

 

[gorebreath]

Read through the beginners forum. You’ll find what you need and a lot more that you didn’t even know you should know. Good luck brother, welcome aboard

Thanks for the advice bro. I will check it out.

 

[MorganKane]

I can't tell the difference between cyp or en.
Take as little AI as you can get away with.

I think you should run a test only cycle for 12 weeks or so.
Start with 500mg of test a week. Focus on getting enough food.

 

[gorebreath]

I can't tell the difference between cyp or en.
Take as little AI as you can get away with.

I think you should run a test only cycle for 12 weeks or so.
Start with 500mg of test a week. Focus on getting enough food.

Thanks for the response. I think u r right about the test only. I was considering using anavar as an oral in the smallest effective dose but if I get sides then I won't know which compound is causing it.
Now I have to do a deep dive on what brands are good for the test. I've read about ppl getting very low quality test that's didn't produce as much gains

 

[MorganKane]

Thanks for the response. I think u r right about the test only. I was considering using anavar as an oral in the smallest effective dose but if I get sides then I won't know which compound is causing it.
Now I have to do a deep dive on what brands are good for the test. I've read about ppl getting very low quality test that's didn't produce as much gains

The vendors here are good.
Not a single one I wouldnt use but I do have my favorites.

You shouldnt really have much sides with 500mg of test.
Var does not really give me any sides besides kill HDL and gives me bad heartburns.
So you could run it if you wanted.

 

[nhbskull21]

There is always online trt clinics if you want to shell out the cash. I wouldn’t bulk and cut. I’d just go for slow lean gains over time.

 

[gorebreath]

There is always online trt clinics if you want to shell out the cash. I wouldn’t bulk and cut. I’d just go for slow lean gains over time.

Thanks. I'm definitely looking for slow lean gains over time. I wanna get gains fast but I want to keep it sustainable

 

[Phreezer]

Here's my .02 cents for what it's worth. I Agree completely with Morgan. 500mg a week of test is all you probably need. At that dose you likely won't even have to run any aromotose inhibitors. Maybe pick up some arimidex to keep on hand just in case.

10-12 weeks is pretty standard and should net you an easy recovery.

WRT your body type.. I can't stress enough the importance of eating. If you don't eat enough you won't make gains. You're naturally more of an ecto to meso according to your intro so you're going to need more food than most.

Here's a simple inexpensive tip I've been giving to Hard gainers for 20 years. Drink a gallon of whole milk a day. Assuming you're not lactose intolerant this is a cheap and simple way to pick up the extra needed calories, proteins and fats.

I also recommend real food over shakes and bars. I recommend 50 gram protein shakes right after working out. Beyond that most of your protein should come from foods. Dense proteins like chicken, beef and pork are great. Eggs and dairy are also great. Fish isnt bad either.

Have a big glass of whole milk with every meal and sneak a couple more throughout the day. You should be getting 30-50 grams of protein per meal 3-4 times a day plus your 50gram shake. You'll also pick up another 25-30 grams a couple more times a day from your extra glasses of whole milk.

Don't stress on the extra calories, dont try and avoid regular carbs. Refined sugar isn't a regular carb so candy bars, cakes and cookies are still something that should have only an occasional place in your diet.

Another recommendation is sleep. Get that 8 hours and avoid nightly glasses of alcohol if that's your thing.

Lastly, focus more on adding in compound lifts and reduce cardio to a couple times per week. Squats, deadlifts, barebell rows, push presses should be part of your weekly routine. Get your accessory work but dont neglect the heavier compounds as they are staple for mass.

And who cares if you put on a little fat? With your metabolism you can knock it off in a few weeks with minimal adjustments and effort.

 

[Phreezer]

Oh.. and one more thing. Test is test. Enanthate and cypinate have such similar half lives you won't notice a difference in real world application. Get whichever one you can get the best price on.

I personally couldnt care less about picking one over the other... and that includes Sustanon which kicks in another 50mg of a shorter acting ester such as prop. 50mg of shorter half lived test per shot? Whoopty freaking doo. Only slightly advantageous for the first week.. after that the other testosterone esters will have your blood levels stable. Why pay more for that? But to each their own.

 

[Vin Deezyzzl]

I'd start with just test nothing else. You want to have a clear understanding of how it affects you.

I do love anavar but no need to stack anything from the start.

 

[1bigun11]

I think that if you really are planning on adding 30-40 pounds of muscle in the next several months (who wouldn't love to do that!!) then eating and eating and high intensity/heavy duty type weight training, taking your days off when you need them, and more eating than you are comfortable with will be necessary. I think you will also need to cut back drastically on the bjj activities. 30-40 pounds is a serious goal. And it will require a shit ton of dedication on your part to get yourself there.

Maybe start a log? I would love to follow your progress!!

 

[gorebreath]

I think that if you really are planning on adding 30-40 pounds of muscle in the next several months (who wouldn't love to do that!!) then eating and eating and high intensity/heavy duty type weight training, taking your days off when you need them, and more eating than you are comfortable with will be necessary. I think you will also need to cut back drastically on the bjj activities. 30-40 pounds is a serious goal. And it will require a shit ton of dedication on your part to get yourself there.

Maybe start a log? I would love to follow your progress!!

Thank you so much I really appreciate and value the advice. I'll be starting my log today actually later this evening.
30 -40 lbs is my dream goal and I'm gonna go for it but I'm aware that's a really high expectation for 12 weeks. I'm hoping to attain that goal within 12 months.
In the past I've gained 30 - 40 lbs in a year and a half natural. I was doing powerlifting but a huge amount was just water and fat.
It wasn't aesthetic at all.
Cutting down on bjj will be tough but you're probably right. It will mess with my bulking success.

 

[misfits319]

You can't really get any better advice than what you have gotten so far. These guys have been around a long time and know exactly what they're talking about.

Me personally? I like to add a little dbol the first few weeks, and I run my cycles a few weeks longer and taper off toward the end. That's just what works best for me after years of experimenting and experience.

I say you keep it simple and do as suggested already.

 

[gorebreath]

I've wondered about tapering. Sounds logical but I know a lot of ppl don't do it. I need to look into it more. How close to the end do u start the taper ?

You can't really get any better advice than what you have gotten so far. These guys have been around a long time and know exactly what they're talking about.

Me personally? I like to add a little dbol the first few weeks, and I run my cycles a few weeks longer and taper off toward the end. That's just what works best for me after years of experimenting and experience.

I say you keep it simple and do as suggested already

 

[gorebreath]

Here's my .02 cents for what it's worth. I Agree completely with Morgan. 500mg a week of test is all you probably need. At that dose you likely won't even have to run any aromotose inhibitors. Maybe pick up some arimidex to keep on hand just in case.

10-12 weeks is pretty standard and should net you an easy recovery.

WRT your body type.. I can't stress enough the importance of eating. If you don't eat enough you won't make gains. You're naturally more of an ecto to meso according to your intro so you're going to need more food than most.

Here's a simple inexpensive tip I've been giving to Hard gainers for 20 years. Drink a gallon of whole milk a day. Assuming you're not lactose intolerant this is a cheap and simple way to pick up the extra needed calories, proteins and fats.

I also recommend real food over shakes and bars. I recommend 50 gram protein shakes right after working out. Beyond that most of your protein should come from foods. Dense proteins like chicken, beef and pork are great. Eggs and dairy are also great. Fish isnt bad either.

Have a big glass of whole milk with every meal and sneak a couple more throughout the day. You should be getting 30-50 grams of protein per meal 3-4 times a day plus your 50gram shake. You'll also pick up another 25-30 grams a couple more times a day from your extra glasses of whole milk.

Don't stress on the extra calories, dont try and avoid regular carbs. Refined sugar isn't a regular carb so candy bars, cakes and cookies are still something that should have only an occasional place in your diet.

Another recommendation is sleep. Get that 8 hours and avoid nightly glasses of alcohol if that's your thing.

Lastly, focus more on adding in compound lifts and reduce cardio to a couple times per week. Squats, deadlifts, barebell rows, push presses should be part of your weekly routine. Get your accessory work but dont neglect the heavier compounds as they are staple for mass.

And who cares if you put on a little fat? With your metabolism you can knock it off in a few weeks with minimal adjustments and effort.

Highly appreciate this info bro. I thank u sincerely.
Big help to me breaking down my protein needs on a meal to meal basis that rlly simplifies things.
I always train like a warrior every single time but I suck at dieting. That milk tip is doable for me.
I know it will be wasting gains if I don't eat serious. So this time I'm dedicated.
As for training thanks for the advice I'll definitely focus on compound stuff which be good for strength gains I imagine. Ive also been incorporating a golden era Arnold inspired split workout I found online. I'm a fan of the golden era guys so it sounded like something to try.

U said to have arimidex on hand which I have done, what would u say would be some signs to start taking it?. I was going to start next week for good measure but if u think it's better to wait until I see side effects then that would be pretty convenient as I don't wanna take anything I don't have to.

 

[Phreezer]

Not a big fan of the "golden era" stuff. Most of that stuff like Arnold's encyclopedia of body building are complete bull shit and not even close to how those guys really trained.

They were cash grabs and most of them had ghost writers anyway. These guys were larger than life to the regular masses and there weren't great or easily obtainable training plans back then so people ate that shit up and shilled out their cash to them. The workouts were not sustainable and people failed and quit on them chalking them up to "that's why he was a champion" and I can't train 20+ hours a week like they do. The average person thought these guys must be training 12-14 times per week and doing insane amounts of volume to get that big so that's what the ghost writers gave em.

No offense, but you're just a baby to all of this. You would do well on a very basic training routine. You have to change the way you think about cardio, volume and the amount of times you're working the same body part every week.

That said, I'm not a body builder. I'm used to working with strength and sport specific athletes for the most part. But building a proper foundation of size is paramount to all lifters.

In the beginning every body part is lagging. Get big quads, hamms, pecs, lats,traps and bi's tri's. That's why compounds are paramount. You need to build the foundation of a house before you start working on the windows, siding and shingles.

It's not rocket science and there aren't any secrets anymore. Put in the work in the gym and the kitchen. Don't get bogged down in the little stuff and get your head around changing up your cardio, diet and the type of training you do.

Good luck!

-P

 

[Phreezer]

Glossed over the Ai question..sorry. The answer is as little as possible.

Some guys will take either .25mg to .5mg x2 weekly to try and keep sides away.. but that's typically for heavier dosed cycles over 800mg-1000mg or more a week of test.

Signs you are needing an AI.. sore And or puffy nipples, being really puffy and holding a lot of water weight.

The internet has a lot of information and an over abundance of opinions on what is necessary to do for anything!

You'll have to figure out what's what for yourself..

Imo.. and I'm guessing here of course.. so take it with a grain of salt. At 500mg per week of test only, you will likely not need an ai. If you do need one you're senstive to aromatization and it will be something you'll have to plan for and keep a handle on for as long as you use AAS.

If you start getting persistent puffy and sore nipples start at .5mg of arimidex x2 per week. After about a week or so these symptoms should start to subside and go away.

So keep an ai on hand in case you need it but don't use it unless you have to.

Most people aren't going to have an issue on low to moderate dosed cycle but if you're one of the unlucky minority who do have troubles you'll need to cinsider it and take precautions if you decide to keep cycling for the long haul.

 

[gorebreath]

Glossed over the Ai question..sorry. The answer is as little as possible.

Some guys will take either .25mg to .5mg x2 weekly to try and keep sides away.. but that's typically for heavier dosed cycles over 800mg-1000mg or more a week of test.

Signs you are needing an AI.. sore And or puffy nipples, being really puffy and holding a lot of water weight.

The internet has a lot of information and an over abundance of opinions on what is necessary to do for anything!

You'll have to figure out what's what for yourself..

Imo.. and I'm guessing here of course.. so take it with a grain of salt. At 500mg per week of test only, you will likely not need an ai. If you do need one you're senstive to aromatization and it will be something you'll have to plan for and keep a handle on for as long as you use AAS.

If you start getting persistent puffy and sore nipples start at .5mg of arimidex x2 per week. After about a week or so these symptoms should start to subside and go away.

So keep an ai on hand in case you need it but don't use it unless you have to.

Most people aren't going to have an issue on low to moderate dosed cycle but if you're one of the unlucky minority who do have troubles you'll need to cinsider it and take precautions if you decide to keep cycling for the long haul.

Thank u so much man for the in depth info I think the universe hates me though . I'm pretty sure I'm going to terminate my cycle. I'm only two weeks in and no one will believe me but somehow I was already getting stronger and gaining weight. My body reacts and absorbs things fast. I know ppl r going to saw it was placebo and that's it's Impossible to see difference that fast but I'm not lying. This stuff works my output in the gym has been 3 fold since my second injection.
The shit went perfect I've working out and eating perfect.
That being said my nipples r rlly puffy alrdy. no pain no itch, they just got red and puffy. No lumps underneath just puffy. I alrdy have slightly puffy nipples by nature. They r okay but any extra puffiness makes them look like shit. And i'm not freaking out over nothing this is real they ARE puffy. They were NOT like this pre cycle. G
Obviously I must convert to an insane degree. This is too fast.
My motivation and mood has been so good it's rlly rlly sad to have to stop but at least it's early on so I didn't gain any muscle that would be depressing to lose.
I don't have arimidex I just have aromison. And it's at 20 mg a pill.
Whenever I look it up or ask I get dosages on arimidex and other AI but I can't find clear info on aromison which is what I have.
I want to maybe try it B4 I stop my cyle to see if it helps the puffy nips but I also don't want to keep waiting and do any more damage, Because What's the point of having an amazing physique when if u have to hide it bcuz u have tits???
So if anyone has aromison dosing advice that's be great. Otherwise I'm just going to terminate B4 I ruin myself.

 

[nhbskull21]

It’s working as soon as you inject it. Sure in a few weeks stable levels will build. But injecting something in your body youre starting to absorb it. As far as only needing ai for heavy cycles. A lot of people need ai’s on trt dosages. I was on 200mg of test per week with 200mg of last per week. Per some posts I should have crashed my estrogen. I actually felt like shit because my estrogen was 63 and I like running it at 25-35.