Free verse total test

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nhbskull21

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If you can only have one, would you rather have high total test or high free test? Ive read some posts by doctor scally on other boards says the tests to test free test aren’t reliable. So taking random numbers. would you rather take 100mg of test a week with 100mg of mast and get a free test of 50 and total of 500. Or take 200mg of test alone and have free test of 25 and total test of 1000. Both options youre own 200mg of week of juice. If you have any reasoning or science throw it in. Do we really know that free test is free to do its just as opposed to just total test. If free test was the end all be all to muscle we could find our point of diminished returns or just spill over through blood work. When raising the test dose you can do so until your free test fails to rise with it Now you found your limit of test your body can use. I have no science for this. Its just a curiosity question.
 
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dowork123

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You’d want free test higher. Free test is active and the rest of your total minus the free is bound. So if your total is 700 and free is 100 your bound test is 600. I saw John meadows had a relatively low total, 500-600 maybe on a low amount of gear. But his free test was somewhere around 120. It blew my mind and as you mentioned, I’m curious if it’s genetic and if so, can we get the free test higher. I’ve tried some methods but on trt my total is 700 and free is 50. Doesn’t change much.
 
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nhbskull21

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dowork123 said:
You’d want free test higher. Free test is active and the rest of your total minus the free is bound. So if your total is 700 and free is 100 your bound test is 600. I saw John meadows had a relatively low total, 500-600 maybe on a low amount of gear. But his free test was somewhere around 120. It blew my mind and as you mentioned, I’m curious if it’s genetic and if so, can we get the free test higher. I’ve tried some methods but on trt my total is 700 and free is 50. Doesn’t change much.
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Is there any scientific evidence on free test really doing what we think it does? If so we should be on a trt dose and blasting prov or mast instead of high doses of test. Also which converts to estrogen? Free, bound, or both?
 
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carbs

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Fuck I just posted about this before seeing this post.

my normal test is in normal ranges. My free test is low and my libido has gone.

I don't know what to do.
 
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Triposinator

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This is wrestled with ad nauseam on the internet, along with techniques for reducing SHGB (which binds testosterone). Until I can actually do something to effect the ratio of free:total, I'm living with the fact that free and total are correlated, so the higher my T the higher my free T.
 
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nhbskull21

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Triposinator said:
This is wrestled with ad nauseam on the internet, along with techniques for reducing SHGB (which binds testosterone). Until I can actually do something to effect the ratio of free:total, I'm living with the fact that free and total are correlated, so the higher my T the higher my free T.
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Im wondering about the point where free test no longer increases. That would be using more than the body can use. You can always take a steady test dose. test your free test. Then add prov and test free test again. If the steroid profiles are true you should have relatively the same total test but increased. The same would hold true with mast.
 
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carbs

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nhbskull21 said:
What are you taking and what does your blood work look like?
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Blood work perfect for everything except for free test. Test, esotren, prolactin, tryglicrides, cholesterol.. Everything good in normal range besides free test which is low. And my libido is fucked.

I was only taking TRT 150mg of test prop a week. Been off everything for a few months and all is perfect besides free test.
 
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nhbskull21

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carbs said:
Blood work perfect for everything except for free test. Test, esotren, prolactin, tryglicrides, cholesterol.. Everything good in normal range besides free test which is low. And my libido is fucked.

I was only taking TRT 150mg of test prop a week. Been off everything for a few months and all is perfect besides free test.
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completely off cycle. Some people say there are supplements to raise free test. I couldnt tell you if they work or not. At this point i just stay on trt.
 
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flex229

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Theoretically, you can "free" bound test by decreasing your SHBG levels, thereby increasing your free test.

According to my research, some supplements which are said to reduce SHGB are boron and nettle.

As for anabolics, they say Proviron and Turinabol are effective reducers of SHGB.
 
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Triposinator

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flex229 said:
Theoretically, you can "free" bound test by decreasing your SHBG levels, thereby increasing your free test.

According to my research, some supplements which are said to reduce SHGB are boron and nettle.

As for anabolics, they say Proviron and Turinabol are effective reducers of SHGB.
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I tried the Boron idea - did nothing. Bro Science might be at work here.
 
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Triposinator

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Is there some science behind the 6mg twice a day - the amount and twice a day regime? Answer that, and I will answer if I took enough.
 
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nhbskull21

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I remember boron being talked up when i was young. It was a key ingredient in the Russian bear supplement. Turns out the only studies where it increased testosterone were in pregnant women.
 
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