First cycle at 48 years old...erect nipps

Firekraker

New member
First time posting on the site, hope I'm not breaking any rules.

Started my first-ever cycle. I'm using test cyp. I am 48 years old. Did 150 mg twice the first week and 200 mg twice the second week. Tonight I noticed my nipples were very erect and seemed slightly larger with slight sensitivity or soreness. Was wondering if this is the first signs of gyno and something I should be worried about. I have 20 mg tablets of nolvadex on hand.
 

Mack

YourMuscleShop Rep
Great help from a board sponsor rep….. :rolleyes:

Jump off your high horse bro

You have a problem with a simple funny comment ?

Oh I guess I’m supposed to be all serious all the time and provide a wealth of information with every response I make ?

No need to act like that
 

Bolan

Active member
Nolvadex will cure it as its just started... much less harsh sides as Adex with your lipids.

In the early 90's its all we had for gyno and it worked well.
 

Mack

YourMuscleShop Rep
First of all. 2 weeks and you have signs of gyno at that low of a dose.

No.

Sorry bro I don’t think so.

This is a case of you being way over concerned and way overthinking this. It’s understandable considering how new this is to you.

You have probably mentally and physically made your nipples sore by touching them rubbing them examining them and being worried about them.

Here this is a very good read and worth your time and should help:

“ Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) in hypogonadal men has become more common as health care providers have become increasingly aware of andropause and the benefits of treatment. However, administration of exogenous testosterone can be associated with side effects that include effects on the prostate, hematocrit, fertility and the development of gynecomastia. Gynecomastia is believed to arise from peripheral conversion of testosterone to estradiol via the enzyme aromatase. The condition is embarrassing to men, and may cause discontinuation of testosterone treatment that has otherwise been successful.1

Classically, male gynecomastia has been treated with radiotherapy or surgical resection of the breast gland tissue.2 The introduction of a new generation of aromatase inhibitors has created an opportunity to treat testosterone-induced gynecomastia with oral medications alone.

We report here our experience with the use of an aromatase inhibitor, anastrozole, in the treatment of gynecomastia in hypogonadal men receiving testosterone supplementation.

Case reports
Case 1
A 61-y-old man presented with a history of erectile dysfunction and reduction in libido, and difficulty achieving orgasm. Past medical history was notable for left gynecomastia in adolescence, which was treated surgically without further recurrence. The current physical examination was unremarkable. Blood tests showed FT of 0.8 ng/dl, TT of 295 ng/dl, luteinizing hormone (LH) of 3.4 mUI/l (normal: 2–18 mUI/l), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) of 3.4 mUI/l (normal: 2–18 mUI/l) and PSA of 1.5 ng/l (normal: 0–4 ng/l). Reduced peak rigidity was observed by NPTR. Intramuscular injections of testosterone enanthate 400 mg/3 weeks were started. The nadir total testosterone level was 287 ng/dl. The patient experienced significant symptomatic improvement with testosterone supplementation.

At 6 months after beginning treatment, the patient noted gynecomastia on the right side, which had not received earlier surgical treatment as an adolescent. TRT was discontinued and 1 month later the patient reported complete resolution of the gynecomastia. Testosterone supplementation was resumed at the same schedule as before, and anastrozole (Arimidex®, AstraZeneca, London, UK) 1 mg/day orally was started as well. After 3 y, the patient continues to have clinical benefits from TRT without recurrence of gynecomastia.

Case 2
A 30-y-old man presented with a history of erectile dysfunction, reduced libido and fatigue. Physical examination was normal except for moderate obesity and mild bilateral gynecomastia. Blood tests revealed TT of 220 ng/ml, FT 1.1 ng/ml, FSH 0.9 mUI/l, LH 3.7 mUI/l and prolactin (PRL) 8.2 ng/ml (2.1–17.7 ng/ml). Poor erections were noted on NPTR. Treatment with intramuscular injections of testosterone enanthate 200 mg/2 weeks was initiated. After 6 months, the patient reported worsening of his baseline bilateral breast enlargement and new nipple tenderness. Peak serum levels of FT were 4 ng/dl. Estradiol levels were elevated at 103 pg/ml (normal: 10–52 pg/ml). Testosterone replacement was discontinued and anastrozole (Arimidex®, AstraZeneca, London, UK) 1 mg/day was initiated. After 1 month, the patient reported decreased breast size and resolution of his nipple tenderness. TRT was then re-introduced. After 5 months, the patient reported significant improvement in his baseline symptoms without return of any breast changes.

Discussion
We report here our successful experience using medical therapy with the aromatase inhibitor anastrozole for the treatment of gynecomastia induced by TRT in hypogonadal men.

Aromatase is the enzyme responsible for converting androgens to estrogens, and is widely distributed in several tissues such as brain, liver and reproductive tissue.1 In men, estrogen production occurs mainly by extratesticular aromatization of androstenedione to estrone and of testosterone to estradiol.1

Aromatase inhibitors have been used primarily in the adjuvant treatment of breast cancer by reducing estrogen levels and consequently causing reduced stimulation of estrogen receptors in this disease. Anastrozole is a fourth-generation nonsteroidal competitive aromatase inhibitor with potent suppression of serum estradiol levels. It was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in 1995 for the treatment of estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer in postmenopausal women in whom the disease has progressed despite tamoxifen treatment.3 Serum estradiol was reduced by up to 80% in patients with breast cancer treated with this drug.4 Other aromatase inhibitors, such as the first-generation aminoglutethimide, have limited use due to toxicity and lack of selectivity for the aromatase enzyme, necessitating concomitant corticosteroid supplementation in some cases.5

In men, aromatase inhibitors have been used in the treatment of male infertility, in the hopes of achieving an improved testosterone-to-estradiol ratio. Raman and Schlegel3 noted significant improvement in sperm concentration, motility and morphology in a group of men treated with anastrozole. No benefit was noted in azoospermic individuals. Gillam et al6 recently reported a case of a giant prolactinoma treated with bromocriptine and cabergoline. The associated hypogonadism was successfully managed with TRT and anastrozole. Herzog et al7 reported beneficial effects on sexual function and control of *******s in men using the aromatase inhibitor testolactone with TRT.

Theoretical adverse effects of aromatase inhibition in men include effects on body composition, carbohydrate/lipid metabolism, muscle strength, bone density and infertility.7,8 Estrogens have been shown to have important beneficial effects on bone density, even in males;8 however, the long-term effects on bone density in men receiving both testosterone supplementation and an anti-estrogen such as anastrozole are uncertain. However, no large-scale studies of anastrozole have been performed in men, and so there is limited information regarding its side effects in this population. In a series of infertile men treated with anastrozole, an asymptomatic increase in serum liver enzymes was observed in 7.4% cases, which returned to baseline levels after discontinuation of the medication.3

The development of gynecomastia in hypogonadal men undergoing TRT can be very troubling to affected individuals, and may result in cessation of therapy. Since TRT is generally considered elective because it is administered for quality of life rather than for a life-threatening illness, both radiation therapy and surgical treatment are often regarded by patients and physicians alike as being too invasive a treatment for gynecomastia and, instead, testosterone treatment is often discontinued by patients if they are embarrassed by the breast enlargement. Successful treatment with an oral medication such as an aromatase inhibitor thus represents an attractive alternative therapy, and should be considered for symptomatic men.”

Mack

The greatest source Rep of all time; Samson48 go suck one.
 

nhbskull21

Well-known member
Two weeks is a bit early. But i easily convert myself. Nolva is good to have on hand but get you some adex or aromasin to take through out your cycle. Like bolan said nothing wrong with 20mg a day until you get your estrogen under control. Honestly there have been times when i ran out of adex and was just on nolva for a couple weeks. I felt pretty good. There is some studies of nolva lowering igf slightly but nothing to worry about. Stick with the 400mg of test a week for 12 weeks. Solid first cycle.
 

Firekraker

New member
Wow, an extremely helpful community and I appreciate all the input and more than likely you guys are correct about my anxiety...lol

Thank you so much for the support
 

Samson48

Active member
Jump off your high horse bro

You have a problem with a simple funny comment ?

Oh I guess I’m supposed to be all serious all the time and provide a wealth of information with every response I make ?

No need to act like that

It wasn’t funny. Get a new sense of humor if you think it was.

You’re a board sponsor rep. People expect more out of you. You’re held to a higher standard.

This guy posted in the beginner section looking for help and all you can say is “too much nipple talk?”

We were all beginners once.

No need to PM me anymore calling me a bitch either tough guy.


Mack said:
There’s no reason for you to be a smart ass bitch
 
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Samson48

Active member
Mack

The greatest source Rep of all time; Samson48 go suck one.

If you have to refer to yourself as the “greatest source rep of all time” chances are you probably aren’t and no one else thinks so either….. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Real mature source rep PM has…..
 

Mack

YourMuscleShop Rep
If you have to refer to yourself as the “greatest source rep of all time” chances are you probably aren’t and no one else thinks so either….. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Real mature source rep PM has…..

“Greatest source rep of all time” was a joke you goof but you took the bait as if I was serious LMAO

Bro. You really take yourself WAY to seriously.

Relax a little.

You’re making yourself look stupid.

Step down from the high horse podium Mr. Hefty Bag.

Relax a little.
 
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Samson48

Active member
“Greatest source rep of all time” was a joke you goof but you took the bait as if I was serious LMAO

Bro. You really take yourself WAY to seriously.

Relax a little.

You’re making yourself look stupid.

Step down from the high horse podium Mr. Hefty Bag.

Relax a little.

Mack,

I’m not the board sponsor rep trying to bully other members and PM-ing me calling me a bitch.

Talk about making yourself look stupid.

You see SD or Irish or liquid or any other reps doing that? Just you! Other members see this and while they may not say anything, will prob never order from your sponsor Bc of YOU.

Were you bullied in real life that you feel the need to act so tough online? Calling me a bitch? Telling me about your “cannon ball delts” do you notice that I’ve never once tried to make myself look bigger or better than you? Why would I need to? You on the other hand feel the need to constantly inflate yourself as bigger and smarter and better. Low self esteem?

Big man you are Mack. Clown. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

Mack

YourMuscleShop Rep
Dude

You just go on and on and on like a Chatty Cathy doll

Making something out of nothing

Why your panties get so agitated over a simple silly comment?

The original poster did not seem to mind or care then he agreed with me and thanked me for my comments

And do you think I give 2 shits that you post that I called you a bitch in a PM after you attacked me unprovoked in the open forum?

Fuck no bro.

That was a pussy ass bitch move. Why you try to belittle me like that when it was just a fun silly comment.

You got low self esteem? Need to try to build yourself up by trying to take some stupid unprovoked cheap shot at me to try to win favor? OLM members are smarter than that you fool.


Now calm your ass down and walk on home boy.

With your 621 post count. That’s laughable for a rep.

Lol

PS: also a chump move trying to compare me to other Reps? Bro I am Mack. I’m no cookie cutter zombie robot. I’ve helped more people and been thanked by more people on this forum than you ever will be 100x over. So stick that in your peace pipe and smoke it.

You’d be well off to ask me for advice. Just PM me.

Mic drop.

I’m done with this. Continue on with your rant as you please.

Mack Out.
 
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Samson48

Active member
Dude

You just go on and on and on like a Chatty Cathy doll

Making something out of nothing

Why your panties get so agitated over a simple silly comment?

The original poster did not seem to mind or care then he agreed with me and thanked me for my comments

And do you think I give 2 shits that you post that I called you a bitch in a PM after you attacked me unprovoked in the open forum?

Fuck no bro.

That was a pussy ass bitch move. Why you try to belittle me like that when it was just a fun silly comment.

You got low self esteem? Need to try to build yourself up by trying to take some stupid unprovoked cheap shot at me to try to win favor? OLM members are smarter than that you fool.


Now calm your ass down and walk on home boy.

With your 621 post count. That’s laughable for a rep.

Lol

PS: also a chump move trying to compare me to other Reps? Bro I am Mack. I’m no cookie cutter zombie robot. I’ve helped more people and been thanked by more people on this forum than you ever will be 100x over. So stick that in your peace pipe and smoke it.

You’d be well off to ask me for advice. Just PM me.

Mic drop.

I’m done with this. Continue on with your rant as you please.

Mack Out.

Lol you’re such a loser. Talking about my post count…. Bro you have 10K posts. It’s like you have no life.

Hold on. “EK best gear I ever used in my life!”

“No wait PM Roids best gear ever and cheapest on web

0 credibility.

I attacked you? Grow up. Some beginner was looking for help and as a sponsor rep you offered a sarcastic response with 0 help. Typical. I’ve seen you do it before. People expect more out of a board rep. Then you go and copy and paste some bs Bc I called you out.

You’re a narcissist. So full of yourself. “Hang and bang with Mack.” I wouldn’t ask for your help ever. I don’t need it. People see through your bs. That’s why your posts get no responses or responses from the same 2-3 guys.

Get a life. Less time on the forums.
 

Samson48

Active member
Old PMs from Mack

Big keyboard warrior Mack

Mack said:
I’m going to stop in the open forum and let you finish with the last word

I don’t want to embarrass you

Anyways ... when your arms are over 20”, and when your delts are like bowling balls and when your traps are out of this world ... feel free to tell me you know best

In the meantime you can look at this pic for motivation

http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2199168#post2199168

Bitch
 

Mack

YourMuscleShop Rep
Oh and btw mr. king of the copy and paste

Which most of your posts are indeed copy and paste

“Hey samgraves when you use taptalk to do all of your copy-paste posts this is how an apostrophe shows up on OLM

&rdquo

Makes your post look like garbage and makes you look careless”

I tried to help you bro
 

Samson48

Active member
Oh and btw mr. king of the copy and paste

Which most of your posts are indeed copy and paste

“Hey samgraves when you use taptalk to do all of your copy-paste posts this is how an apostrophe shows up on OLM

&rdquo

Makes your post look like garbage and makes you look careless”

I tried to help you bro


You’re a loser bro. In real life and on here and everyone knows it. Go spam up the board with more of your useless threads that no one comments on.

If you weren’t a rep, you’d prob be banned by now.

I’m done with you.
 

Mack

YourMuscleShop Rep
You don’t want to comment about my gym warrior post?

See bro I’m a legit competitive bodybuilder

I walk the walk and I talk the talk

I’ve placed top 5 at NPC Nationals

I’ve won several state level NPC shows

You’ve seen my pics here on OLM

I’m sorry you’re jealous

Jealousy often makes people do mean and spiteful things

And that’s what has happened with you

You look like an ectomorphic swimmer and you are taking your own frustrations and rage out on me

It’s ok

I’m an easy target so you can keep bashing me and firing at me

It’s does not matter a single bit to me

I’d spend more time at the dinner table and less time at the gym if I were you

You should look in to following a DC type protocol for training I think you’d make great gains (dogg crapp training)

Seriously

Again I’m just here to help others and I’ve helped hundreds of others the past 10 years here so I’m happy to help you too

PM me if you have any questions
 

Mack

YourMuscleShop Rep
Btw

Admin does not care if you are a rep or not

If you deserve to be banned you will be banned
 
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