Dose/AI/PCT

[srt100shot]

New here, a little guidance from greater minds if y’all could please.

Background: I’m 40, 250lbs, in good shape, gym 5 days a week, I eat fairly clean, I have cheat days or cheat weekend. For past 2 yrs, test-c 250/wk is all I have ever done and it was from my doctor.
I’m at a standstill with the 250/wk. I’m not looking to compete but I want more than what my TRT isn’t doing.

Cycle: I have Test-E and Dbol now. I have read different schools of thought on this combination. Some say take 500mg of test/wk and 10mg of Dbol 2x/day. The test for 12wks and Dbol for weeks 1-8. Others say only 250 of the test since it’s stacked with Dbol. Thoughts?

AI and PCT: I have Aromasin for AI during cycle and Tamoxifen for PCT. Again different schools of thought. Some say use 25mg Aromasin every other day and others say only use when gyno symptoms develop. As for the Tamoxifen, everyone is about the same with this. Most say it’s good if you can’t get HCL, and I can’t right now. Dose is 20mg first 2 wks after cycle and then 10mg for 2wks after the first 2wks. Then off cycle.
Since all I have ever done is Test-c from my TRT program, what would be best course here and how long should I stay off cycle before the next or should end cycle and cruise with like 100-200 of Test/wk till next on-cycle.
Thanks in advance.

 

[MorganKane]

If you are on TRT then you dont need PCT.
you are already suppressed and will not recover while being on TRT.

I would run 500mg of test a week and at least 20mg of Dbol a day.
But I would rather do 30/40mg a day for 4-6 weeks over 20mg over 8.
Would take it before workout all at once.
Eat and eat.

If you are already using 250mg a week continuing that with 20mg of dbol will not do shit for you.

Use the absolute minimum of anti-estrogen as you need, if you need any.

You should do some more research since you are not really understanding the basics.
if you are on TRT then you are suppressed so no PCT is needed for that.
So its blast and TRT.

 

[srt100shot]

If you are on TRT then you dont need PCT.
you are already suppressed and will not recover while being on TRT.

I would run 500mg of test a week and at least 20mg of Dbol a day.
But I would rather do 30/40mg a day for 4-6 weeks over 20mg over 8.
Would take it before workout all at once.
Eat and eat.

If you are already using 250mg a week continuing that with 20mg of dbol will not do shit for you.

Use the absolute minimum of anti-estrogen as you need, if you need any.

You should do some more research since you are not really understanding the basics.
if you are on TRT then you are suppressed so no PCT is needed for that.
So its blast and TRT.

Thank you for the response, and yes, I’m still trying to figure this out as there is so much information. I have to laugh at myself knowing that I’m already suppressed being on TRT and asking about PCT. I think I got caught up in making sure I was going into this as safely as possible and doing things right as if I wasn’t already suppressed.

 

[MorganKane]

Ask questions, thats what the forum is for.
Please ask first and not later.
Plenty of great people that will help here.

 

[srt100shot]

Ask questions, thats what the forum is for.
Please ask first and not later.
Plenty of great people that will help here.

A bit more research on my end. I have read when taking Dbol, it can cause gyno, which I knew and possibly made a mistake by obtaining an AI (Aromasin) vs a SERM. I have read not to use an AI and I need to get something like Nolvadex. Now I got the Aromasin because I also was told by buddy who’s been on gear a long while said it will combat the gyno just fine. I’m not sure I’m in agreement with him at this point based on my own research. Have I made a mistake by getting Aromasin vs Nolvadex?

 

[Rock Diesel]

I don't necessarily think it's a mistake to have the Aromasin on hand. You can also pick up some Nolva to have on hand just in case. They are two different mechanisms of action. Here are some very simple basics to how they work and what they do.

The Nolva is a SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) which will block the negative effects of estrogen at the receptor site. (For instance, your nipples) However, it will not lower your overall estrogen levels. Aromasin is a suicidal Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) and the one I prefer should I need an AI. Your body produces estrogen via the aromatase enzyme which convert androgen into estrogen. Aromasin will permanently attach to the aromatase enzyme rendering it inactive, therefore lowering your estrogen levels.

General layman's terms: Think of the estrogen receptor in breast tissue around your nipple as a keyhole. If your estrogen levels increase, there are now keys available to unlock the door and cause issues.

Aromasin binds to the aromatase enzyme redering it inactive, so your estrogen levels don't increase. Therefore, nothing unlocks the keyhole and opens the door to those particular estrogen related side effects.

Nolvadex on the other hand is like a fake key. It fills the keyhole, but doesn't unlock the door. By filling the keyhole, the estrogen can't do it's job and those particular estrogen side effects remain at bay. Even though your overall estrogen levels can still be high because Nolvadex does not actually lower that. It just blocks the receptor.

If you know your body is very prone to estrogen related side effects and your blood work shows elevated levels of e2, then an AI like Aromoasin is great because it will keep your estro from elevating and in a good range. Nolva would be more for emergencies in my opinion. If you very suddenly start developing some estro sides, you can add some nolva to block those receptors and get it under control which will buy you some time to figure out what's wrong and get everything in check.

 

[Eleven11]

If your going to continue your TRT after then no need for PCT just do your cycle then continue at TRT dose. Keep the AI on hand but only use it if you need it. I've been lucky over the years and have never needed it. Doses MK gave you is a good idea, about 4 weeks of Dbol is enough then take a break.....................11