3 orals at once liver hurts

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kurtcobain1

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hanquin said:
well boys, it's obvious he's aware of the potential dangers and such, sounds like it's not his first go round. i am curious though, what are your goals here, what are the gains like?
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It is a 20 weeker, put on some muscle mass cut down on the fat, but i really want to cut down even more, yes i am a tank i hate to sound egocentric, but my buddy hasnt seen me in a year i saw him yesterday and hes like fucking shit your huge, i get that a lot from people i havent seen in a while, made me feel good you know? i have body disformia and i have tons of tats one full sleve left side of back wraped around etc., and some perciings i can never be satisfied with how i looked and btw T-BOL and Winnie are fucking GREAT! at that dosage man, i just want to see that Halostien work that magic too
 
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kurtcobain1

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hanquin said:
well boys, it's obvious he's aware of the potential dangers and such, sounds like it's not his first go round. i am curious though, what are your goals here, what are the gains like?
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oh and strength is redickiles man, with a gram of test a week, eq,and the killer is the tren which we all know makes you a stone wall, very dense, i like the HGH ive been on it for 5 months now? i have another 4 months going to pick up more, the orals i just started cause i dont want to be on any when im back at work so thats why im taking them now. change of plans you know. Plus to be as hard as a rock as possible brother
 
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kurtcobain1

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oh and im running 100 mg of winnie 50 mg of T-Bol ED 30 mg of Halostien workuout days, Prov 50 mg ed thinking about moving it up to 100, im telling you if you can take winnie its great with something like t-bol they are great together
 
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kurtcobain1

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im thinking about taking an AI cause i am def bloated around the mid section which shouldnt be would that matter at all? I really am not all to familiar with AI's i just stuck to Nolva and Clomid if i had any problems
 
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TNH

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Damn dude, 180mg per day of any oral will fuck you up, especially when one of them is halo. I feel nauseated and ill from 50mg of any oral (everyone's different, I realize my liver has a lower tolerance than the average AAS user).

Your post is sort of like saying "I put a 572 cubic inch blown big block in my Toyota Prius, why is my fuel economy worse?" :)

If it were me, I'd drop the halo and take some Liv-52 until you feel better. I know plenty of people that run up to 100mg per day of orals without problems, but not when halo is involved. It really is in a league of its own.
 
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kurtcobain1

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I am trying to avoid the 3 orals on a reg. basis unless i am working out that day, i will do 50 mg of T-Bol 100 mg of Winnie and the Halo will be 30 mg only when i workout..as for prov i use that everyday
 
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taba

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kurtcobain1 said:
im running 50 mg tbol 100 mg winnie ed 30 mg halostien workout days 50 mgs prov 50 mg tren ed 50 mg prop ed 750 mg test e ew 600 eq ew HGH 4 ius 5on2off 250 ius hcg e3d 10 mg nolva, im startin to hurt
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I had a bout with orals. My bile built up and the toxins did not get released out of the liver.
Is the right side of our stomach swelling more than the other side?
That is where your liver is located.

I had to drop Liv52 because it was doing me more harm than good. Doctor's orders.
My skin started itching which is a bad sign. Liver values were 10x's higher. I used 1 month of milk thistle with the live longer and I'm back to normal.

You need to get either Live Longer or UDCA for the liver to clear out the bile other wise you may get long term damage to your liver. The bile can flow up to your brain and kill you. It happened to a friend of mine that had cirrhosis of the liver.

Live Longer can be googled.

You can get UDCA here,
http://www.cemproducts.com/udurac.html
 
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bboveri

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kurtcobain1 said:
Its got to be gastro cause i took a break for some days on all orals and still same fucking problem
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While I don't advice your heavy use of orals, I may be able to help you out.

You said you were on anti-biotics. Antibiotics kill all the bacteria in your intestines which help with digestion.

I would cut back on the orals, and also pick up a probiotic supplement, and also incorporate some yogurt.
 
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kurtcobain1

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bboveri said:
While I don't advice your heavy use of orals, I may be able to help you out.

You said you were on anti-biotics. Antibiotics kill all the bacteria in your intestines which help with digestion.

I would cut back on the orals, and also pick up a probiotic supplement, and also incorporate some yogurt.
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Thanks, btw my rib cage is bruised that was it, it wasn't the orals or anything.
 
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juicy_jj

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bboveri said:
While I don't advice your heavy use of orals, I may be able to help you out.

You said you were on anti-biotics. Antibiotics kill all the bacteria in your intestines which help with digestion.

I would cut back on the orals, and also pick up a probiotic supplement, and also incorporate some yogurt.
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This is true about anti biotics...the best thing you can do is do a body detox and take some pro biotics...
 
Xxplosive

Xxplosive

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mmmass1 said:
Your body is telling you something. You'll read a lot of posts saying toxicity of orals on the liver is overstated, but if you're feeling pain, I'd back off a bit. You using any liver protectants?
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I fucking hate posts that peddle that kinda shit. That's how people end up fucking up their health. Some people tolerate different aas in different ways, and some people are able to run high dosages of orals with 0 issues.

Which is great for them... but then they go online and tell people orals are safe. Well, what do you think some newb or stubborn bb who wants instant results is gonna do?
 
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Xxplosive

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kurtcobain1 said:
It is a 20 weeker, put on some muscle mass cut down on the fat, but i really want to cut down even more, yes i am a tank i hate to sound egocentric, but my buddy hasnt seen me in a year i saw him yesterday and hes like fucking shit your huge, i get that a lot from people i havent seen in a while, made me feel good you know? i have body disformia and i have tons of tats one full sleve left side of back wraped around etc., and some perciings i can never be satisfied with how i looked and btw T-BOL and Winnie are fucking GREAT! at that dosage man, i just want to see that Halostien work that magic too
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Brother, do yourself and your liver a huge favor, come off all orals and run this protocol:

1000mg of injectable glutiathone eod (or 1200mg NAC if you can't get inj glutiathone)
1000mg of Methionine ed
1000mg of Choline ed
1000mg of inositol ed

If you can handle keto for a month to get rid of some fatty liver, great. If not, try to drop your carbs- you probably have given yourself a level of fatty liver and this is the best way to get rid of it.

After you run this protocol, get some bloodwork done to see where your liver values are at before running again.

You may feel ok running these doses right now, but i promise you if you keep abusing it, you will have trouble handling orals at any dose when you get older- and that's not even taking into account the other serious health consequences.
 
Mack

Mack

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kurtcobain1 said:
im running 50 mg tbol 100 mg winnie ed 30 mg halostien workout days 50 mgs prov 50 mg tren ed 50 mg prop ed 750 mg test e ew 600 eq ew HGH 4 ius 5on2off 250 ius hcg e3d 10 mg nolva, im startin to hurt
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Drop the Winnie
Drop the halotestin unless you are prepping for a PL meet or a BB show

I’d use 10 mg of superdrol over the halo
Var over Tbol
 
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