Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) use and Post Cycle Theropy (PCT)

Eleven11

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What's your opinion on say using HCG for the final 30 days at 250ius e3d for a 10 week Test e cycle @400mg ew? I only ask because I know HCG while giving an increase in natty Test will also give a spike in estro. Also for that exact reason would it be wise to run HCG even after last shot of Test and up to PCT, since you will surely be spiking estro even when your Test levels will be taking a huge nose dive? I just figured you would discontinue HCG when you discontinue Test. Especially if your running HCG throughout entire cycle.

I'm not sure at these small doses that it raises estro all that much. The main thing is yes Id use it the whole cycle but at least at the end and after final shot (ester length determining how long) like your saying before PCT...........11
 

prototype5

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1) 100ius ED starting after wk1 and continued through cycle and for 4-18days after last AAS shot depending on the ester length (prop 3days - testE 14days - test Cyp 18days sust250 21days). Always make the last HCG shot on day ester clears.

2) 250-300ius EOD and (same as above)

3) 500ius E5D starting after wk1 and (same as above)

Ive done all and really can't say one is better, with #2-3 you won't go through as many needles but all have worked well for me.

PCT ( post cycle therapy )

Key word here is POST, meaning after the cycle is over and that means after all AAS esters have cleared your system not after your final shot.
HCG IS NOT FOR PCT IT IS FOR PRE-PCT, the time during your cycle and after last shot of AAS while esters are clearing. PCT starts on DAY4 after your last HCG shot. The reason for this is when you inject HCG you will get a spike several hours after shot and then again 48-72 hours later, after this final spike is when you want to start your PCT. Again HCG is not used for PCT.

Most my PCTs have looked like this. Starting on day4 after last HCG shot
3-4wks of clomid @ 50mg ed (in my early days Ive used higher amounts but feel its not needed)
5-6wks of nolva @ 40mg ed 2wks and 20mg ed for remainder
IMO a PCT should last at least 4-6wks+
Also there seems to be great alternatives to clomid/nolva these days, some are available here on OLM.

sorry I never saw this.
You dont need much bacwater to mix. Its simple math regardless of the amount you use. 1/10th will be 500ius.
I mix 1cc bacwater to 5,000ius of HCG that means on a 1cc slin pin #10-100 every 10mark is 500ius of mixed HCG..............11

Good read. Thanks bro. So do you run it for 14 days after your last shot of enath? I only used HCG once and I took my last shot of hcg a week after my last shot of test e. Should i have ran it for another 7-10 days?
 

Eleven11

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Good read. Thanks bro. So do you run it for 14 days after your last shot of enath? I only used HCG once and I took my last shot of hcg a week after my last shot of test e. Should i have ran it for another 7-10 days?


Ideally yes. 14 days for testE and I like to take that last shot on day 14 then wait 3 day for HCG to clear and start PCT on day 4.................11
 

passenthrw

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hcg

I seen the question asked with no reply so I will ask again. Will oral hcg work the same and if so what would be the amout you would take every day?
 

Eleven11

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I seen the question asked with no reply so I will ask again. Will oral hcg work the same and if so what would be the amout you would take every day?

Oral HCG ???? never heard of it, Is it some OTC bs ? but I would say stick with the real thing, we know it works............11
 

Eleven11

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How would you recommend running HCG if you only have 5000 ius for a 12 week test e cycle?

Well if that is all you have what Id do is count backward from day14 after your last TestE shot. you have 10 500ius shots so start then. count day 14 as first shot
 

eeltam

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Good info eleven11. Thanks. I am planning on 100ius ed. Can I mix it with my sustaplex 325, primo, tren and b12 injection?
 

Eleven11

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Good info eleven11. Thanks. I am planning on 100ius ed. Can I mix it with my sustaplex 325, primo, tren and b12 injection?

No I would not. Just inject it by itself in a slin pin..............11
 

minime_moomey

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Alright eleven, how would someone go about preserving two 5000iu amps for a twelve week cycle? Ive read that once constituted its only good for 30 days in the fridge...Thats two months...how can you preserve it to last the other two?
 

Eleven11

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Alright eleven, how would someone go about preserving two 5000iu amps for a twelve week cycle? Ive read that once constituted its only good for 30 days in the fridge...Thats two months...how can you preserve it to last the other two?



Actually that's 1 month
use bacwater it will last 60days in fridge and dont mix the other till your finished with the first..................11
 

minime_moomey

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Actually that's 1 month
use bacwater it will last 60days in fridge and dont mix the other till your finished with the first..................11

LOL. Im a rocket scientist...Good call. Thanks for all the help you put in man. I appreciate it. I had no idea its good for 60 days with bacwater. Good stuff...
 

FlexOnEm

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Winstrol only = HCG?

I rarely ever run a cycle w/ out Test incorporated in it. However, this time I'm going to run a 6 week cycle of oral winstrol. Is HCG recommended for this short simple cycle? If so, should I just run it during my cycle or wait 5 days after my last tab and take for 14 days?

Thanks, your advice is greatly appreciated!
 

Eleven11

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I rarely ever run a cycle w/ out Test incorporated in it. However, this time I'm going to run a 6 week cycle of oral winstrol. Is HCG recommended for this short simple cycle? If so, should I just run it during my cycle or wait 5 days after my last tab and take for 14 days?

Thanks, your advice is greatly appreciated!

Just curious why just oral winstrol ? what your goal?
Personally Id do 500ius wk but then again I wouldn't do this cycle.
Another thing is waiting till end, why the 5 day wait and why 14days. Winny will be out of your system in a day and thats when you want to start PCT................11
 

FlexOnEm

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Just curious why just oral winstrol ? what your goal?
Personally Id do 500ius wk but then again I wouldn't do this cycle.
Another thing is waiting till end, why the 5 day wait and why 14days. Winny will be out of your system in a day and thats when you want to start PCT................11

I have a photo shoot in December, and wanted to run something for 5-6wks. My last cycle was Test prop and masteron. I'm kind of tired of jabbing myself with pins ED. I wanted to tighten a bit in a short period of time and hold very little water. So thats why I was going to run winstrol.

What would you recommend instead of winstrol?
 

Eleven11

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I have a photo shoot in December, and wanted to run something for 5-6wks. My last cycle was Test prop and masteron. I'm kind of tired of jabbing myself with pins ED. I wanted to tighten a bit in a short period of time and hold very little water. So thats why I was going to run winstrol.

What would you recommend instead of winstrol?

I see what your wanting just know your sex drive might suffer a bit but only 6wks maybe not ??? if your not wanted to pin then this is as good as any. Maybe add some Proviron into the mix also and help with hardness/sexdrive.............11
 

Eleven11

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Guys I've updated some info in my sticky to include an article from the Doc I got my info from yrs ago on this subject................11
 

GETBIG365

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The doc says to use HCG to prevent testicular atrophy. Would it be okay to use it only when your balls start to shrink to bring them back?

How would you keep the HCG for the duration of your cycle, if you can't put a syringe in your fridge?
Can you just add the bac water to the vial the HCG is already in and draw as needed?

I think oral HCG might be the same thing but I don't know if it works the same.

The doc mentions using nolvadex or clomid "all along the way" and "he is now set to continue at the end." Does he mean using nolvadex or clomid on cycle and post?

Would proviron effectively prevent estrogen sides on cycle of dbol/test? Winstrol/test?
 
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