The real 5X5 program

Phreezer

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---5X5---
Monday: Squats, Benching, Rows
Weds: Squats, Military Presses, Deadlifts, Chins
Friday: Squats, Benching, Rows

Courtesy of bill starr bill starr, the greatest strength coach who ever lived, popularized this in the 70's with his great book, The Strongest Shall Survive, which was aimed at strength training for football. I believe he had essentually two different programs which both are 5 sets of 5. The first, which is more suitable for beginners, is to simply do 5 sets of 5 with similar weight jumps between each set so that your last set is your top weight. When you get all 5 on the last set, bump all your weights up 5 or 10lbs. Example for squat... 185 for 5, 225 for 5, 275 for 5, 315 for 5, 365 for 5. If you get 365 for 5, move all weights up. This is especially good for someone who is just learning a particular exercise like the squat, because the amount of practice with light but increasing weights is a good way to practice form.

For more advanced lifters, he advocated a warmup, then 5 sets of 5 with a set weight. For example, the same athlete used in the other example may do 135 for 5, 185 for 5, 225 for 3, 275 for 2, 315 for 1, then 350 for 5 sets of 5. When successfull with all 25 reps at 350lbs, bump the weight up the next workout by 5 or 10lbs.

This is not outdated, and is a good program for gaining strength. Many elite athletes still use it during at least part of the year. I in fact do 5 sets of 5 on squatting for 4 weeks as part of an 8 or 10 week training cycle. Personally, i do it 3 times a week, but most people will probably make better progress doing it 2 times per week, or even doing version 1 once a week, and version 2 once a week.

In any event i described a system in a post a while back that goes something like this:
Monday use the heaviest weight you can for all 5 sets (same weight each set)---- in other words when you get all 5 sets of 5 reps up the weight (most workouts you will get 3 or 4 sets of 5- and maybe your last one will be for 3 or 4 reps)

Wednesday use 10-20% less weight- in other words if you used 200lbs on monday use 160-180lbs on wednesday- actual amount depending on your recovery

Friday work up to a max set of 5-

In other words lets say that your best ever set of 5 is 215lbs and you used 200lbs on monday for 5 sets and 170lbs on wednesday. On friday your workout might be like this 95 for 5 135 for 5 175 for 5 200 for 5 then attempt 220 for your last set of 5.

This tends to work better as a long term program than doing the same thing 3 times a week. On exercises where you only do them once a week like deadlift you can just do the 5 sets of 5 like i described. On monday on exercises that you are only doing twice (rows) you could do both exercises like the monday workout or lighten one of them depending on your recovery ability. Be conservative with the weight when you start- that is important.

Also i have used this program VERY often with athletes and it IS result producing. However many of your gains will show up after you use it for 4-6 weeks and you switch to training a bit less frequently and lower the reps and volume. However this is one program i have had a LOT of success with. In fact i rarely if ever use it with athletes who are at the top of their weight class because it causes too much weight gain unless you severely restrict your food.
 

bgdg

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this is a great program for strength training especially at a young age. We used this same program in High School back in the late 70's. Works good for overall strength.
 

JUICE JUNKY

New member
This 5 x 5 looks pretty seriuos, cant have a good house without a good foundaton. With all those squats you bound to build yourself a castle ! I'm gonna give it a shot, my legs can use ALOT MORE MASS.
---5X5---
Monday: Squats, Benching, Rows
Weds: Squats, Military Presses, Deadlifts, Chins
Friday: Squats, Benching, Rows

Courtesy of bill starr bill starr, the greatest strength coach who ever lived, popularized this in the 70's with his great book, The Strongest Shall Survive, which was aimed at strength training for football. I believe he had essentually two different programs which both are 5 sets of 5. The first, which is more suitable for beginners, is to simply do 5 sets of 5 with similar weight jumps between each set so that your last set is your top weight. When you get all 5 on the last set, bump all your weights up 5 or 10lbs. Example for squat... 185 for 5, 225 for 5, 275 for 5, 315 for 5, 365 for 5. If you get 365 for 5, move all weights up. This is especially good for someone who is just learning a particular exercise like the squat, because the amount of practice with light but increasing weights is a good way to practice form.

For more advanced lifters, he advocated a warmup, then 5 sets of 5 with a set weight. For example, the same athlete used in the other example may do 135 for 5, 185 for 5, 225 for 3, 275 for 2, 315 for 1, then 350 for 5 sets of 5. When successfull with all 25 reps at 350lbs, bump the weight up the next workout by 5 or 10lbs.

This is not outdated, and is a good program for gaining strength. Many elite athletes still use it during at least part of the year. I in fact do 5 sets of 5 on squatting for 4 weeks as part of an 8 or 10 week training cycle. Personally, i do it 3 times a week, but most people will probably make better progress doing it 2 times per week, or even doing version 1 once a week, and version 2 once a week.

In any event i described a system in a post a while back that goes something like this:
Monday use the heaviest weight you can for all 5 sets (same weight each set)---- in other words when you get all 5 sets of 5 reps up the weight (most workouts you will get 3 or 4 sets of 5- and maybe your last one will be for 3 or 4 reps)

Wednesday use 10-20% less weight- in other words if you used 200lbs on monday use 160-180lbs on wednesday- actual amount depending on your recovery

Friday work up to a max set of 5-

In other words lets say that your best ever set of 5 is 215lbs and you used 200lbs on monday for 5 sets and 170lbs on wednesday. On friday your workout might be like this 95 for 5 135 for 5 175 for 5 200 for 5 then attempt 220 for your last set of 5.

This tends to work better as a long term program than doing the same thing 3 times a week. On exercises where you only do them once a week like deadlift you can just do the 5 sets of 5 like i described. On monday on exercises that you are only doing twice (rows) you could do both exercises like the monday workout or lighten one of them depending on your recovery ability. Be conservative with the weight when you start- that is important.

Also i have used this program VERY often with athletes and it IS result producing. However many of your gains will show up after you use it for 4-6 weeks and you switch to training a bit less frequently and lower the reps and volume. However this is one program i have had a LOT of success with. In fact i rarely if ever use it with athletes who are at the top of their weight class because it causes too much weight gain unless you severely restrict your food.
 

mikeymoves

New member
My question is this: My legs and mid section are easily my biggest/strongest section. I did a few 5x5's throughout last year and ended up with my monday set being 405lbs (full OLY). I am looking to get leaner (5'10" - 210lbs), but I really loved the 5x5 and want to know if I get back on that horse, will my legs grow out of control?
 

JustinP

New member
This is similar to what I do but i'm on the beginners program doing 3x5 of the same lifts/split (aka starting strength) I want to get a strong core before I worry about doing any isolation exercises!

So far i've put on 40lbs in around 5 months :D
 

rocco-x

Active member
so what would an example look like in terms of exercices for a 5 x 5 workout?could i still do one bodypart a day like i am now with the max-ot routine?also what about the number of exercises per bodypart,is it just one compound movement such as bench,squats deadlifts,etc..?thnx for any help.
 

goonstopher

New member
I am starting as a personal trainer due to the economy and am having nearly every client who wants to start weight training do some version of this.
 

myosaurus

Donating Member
I am starting as a personal trainer due to the economy and am having nearly every client who wants to start weight training do some version of this.
I'm also a personal trainer and 5 x 5 is the best way to teach someone how to squat bench and deadlift as you get 5 sets of rehearsal and 3 x the frequency. even some of the very deconditioned(no offense, those I almost gave up on) were able to quickly learn how to do these lifts.
 

goonstopher

New member
I'm also a personal trainer and 5 x 5 is the best way to teach someone how to squat bench and deadlift as you get 5 sets of rehearsal and 3 x the frequency. even some of the very deconditioned(no offense, those I almost gave up on) were able to quickly learn how to do these lifts.

Do you find it takes so indoctrination or deprogramming (depending on which side you look at it from) to get the needed buying in and patience?

Clients seem to think a trainers job is to "make you sweat" or push you hard and give you a good bicep or chest or shoulder (single body part ect) pump/failure and this program, in its earlier stages and with linear periodization for novices, definitely does not do that.

Also with more savvy clients how do you avoid them thinking, 'AAh I have the idea let save some money!?'

This may be more fit for PM but the understanding of fitness that the public has and how to inform them is something all members here can benefit from as we are often approached and seen as sources on information (but that's is an entire thread ha)
 

myosaurus

Donating Member
Do you find it takes so indoctrination or deprogramming (depending on which side you look at it from) to get the needed buying in and patience?

Clients seem to think a trainers job is to "make you sweat" or push you hard and give you a good bicep or chest or shoulder (single body part ect) pump/failure and this program, in its earlier stages and with linear periodization for novices, definitely does not do that.

Also with more savvy clients how do you avoid them thinking, 'AAh I have the idea let save some money!?'

This may be more fit for PM but the understanding of fitness that the public has and how to inform them is something all members here can benefit from as we are often approached and seen as sources on information (but that's is an entire thread ha)[/QUOT]
you have a PM, as this isn't really 5 x 5 topic, no disrespect.
 

myosaurus

Donating Member
Do you find it takes so indoctrination or deprogramming (depending on which side you look at it from) to get the needed buying in and patience?

Clients seem to think a trainers job is to "make you sweat" or push you hard and give you a good bicep or chest or shoulder (single body part ect) pump/failure and this program, in its earlier stages and with linear periodization for novices, definitely does not do that.

Also with more savvy clients how do you avoid them thinking, 'AAh I have the idea let save some money!?'

This may be more fit for PM but the understanding of fitness that the public has and how to inform them is something all members here can benefit from as we are often approached and seen as sources on information (but that's is an entire thread ha)
you have a PM, as this isn't 5 x 5 topic, no disrespect.
 

Sportsfreak

New member
5X5 is by far the best program that I have come across. I have been working on this now for only 4 weeks and increase the weight each time by 5-10 pounds each workout. This addition continues until failure for three weeks, deload 20% and go back at it from there. One thing that I think most people have gotten away from is the core strength programs and without a solid base, all is lost. Hugh arms and chest, walking around on chicken legs is not real impressive imo. More beginners should start out on a program such as this to build strength. DL, Bench, Squats are where its at....
Happy lifting
 
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spectre

Guest
wow, first time iv went into this form and heard of this. goign to give it a try next cycle.
 

moose932

New member
so when it says benching, does that mean just flat bench press for example? Flat bench onlly as a chest workout?
 
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