Going Vegan???!!

[hypertrophyy]

Recently been seeing a cardiologist to see how things are going hitting mid 40's now. Came back with a CAC score of 40, which isn't awful but was a bit concerning he says for my age. Haven't told him that I used to be 275-315lbs on gear for the better part of 15 years and eat candy like Oompa Loompas haha. He suggested to go vegan the other day and switch to plant proteins.......... I never at any point in my fkn life considered becoming a soyboy till this week. I would rather, actually drop dead, than never eat meat again. Just more sparingy when plowing 6 meals a day.

I can care less about being "Big". Fully focused on lean, aesthetic, athletic these days. My question is... Any of you guys tried bulking on plant protein recently? Looks like the market is growing in this direction. I understand the bio-availability value between animal vs plant proteins. Starting to think I shouldn't see a big issue, if I add extra BCAA's and take in extra grams in hope of midigating the value of plant based. I'm not trying to carry an extra 70lbs muscle, where the best of everything matters. Something between physique and classic weight where this wouldn't be so hard. Thoughts???

 

[DieViolent]

What’s the beef with red meat? - Harvard Health

Despite a recent study’s claim that consuming red and processed meat is not linked to health conditions, most global health organizations maintain that lowering consumption can reduce a p...

www.health.harvard.edu

Your doctor is pushing an agenda, drop them and find a new doctor

 

[Resilient]

Alot of people are going vegan now. Actors..athletes. when your really sick I think it's the right thing to do just my opinion.

 

[Resilient]

As you get older you generally want to be thinning it's easier on the organs. You can get good protein from vegetables. Also fasting once in awhile is good too. I'd listen to your doctor on this one seems like he has your best interests on longevity. Go for long walks if you can do fast walk or a light jog try to do that. Arnold is a vegan now and even stallone lost alot of weight. Times are changing. If you look at videos of along time ago people where thinner and smaller and ate whatever they wanted. Inless your heavy lifting like crazy then your body will demand more protein but as you age and wear and tear goes on it'd harder to keep up the demand.

 

[hypertrophyy]

What’s the beef with red meat? - Harvard Health

Despite a recent study’s claim that consuming red and processed meat is not linked to health conditions, most global health organizations maintain that lowering consumption can reduce a p...

www.health.harvard.edu

Your doctor is pushing an agenda, drop them and find a new doctor

Oh, I brought that up to him. I literally asked him if he preached this vegan stuff to all his patents. He smiled and could see what kinda dance we were about to have. He said the damage is more from high cholesterol and vegan protein will keep this low. I've had tones of blood work over the years, and my LDL has almost always been trash. He prescribed cholesterol med as well.

I read that study, sped through it fairly fast. But, what i got from it is that this "red meat study" wasn't fairly and properly executed. This whole subject is taboo. There's so much back and forth propaganda, hard to know what to believe.

 

[jasmado]

Bro, if your doctor is trying to keep you alive, id listen to him

 

[DieViolent]

I read that study, sped through it fairly fast. But, what i got from it is that this "red meat study" wasn't fairly and properly executed. This whole subject is taboo. There's so much back and forth propaganda, hard to know what to believe.

it was a meta study on a slew of red meat studies and showed no significant risk. We could also go back to the meta studies that have shown cholesterol is not a risk factor but the reason cholesterol is a problem is when you have calcification in arteries.

Meta-Analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials of Red Meat Consumption in Comparison With Various Comparison Diets on Cardiovascular Risk Factors - PubMed

Inconsistencies regarding the effects of red meat on cardiovascular disease risk factors are attributable, in part, to the composition of the comparison diet. Substituting red meat with high-quality plant protein sources, but not with fish or low-quality carbohydrates, leads to more favorable...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

so a study (meta containing 38 studies on the risks) that concludes that red meat isn’t a risk when doctors have been using it to promote alternative lifestyle changes, and pushing folks to other pharmacology… is ignored because other “doctors” say there are risks associated still based on the said studies…is normal?

and in the cholesterol study we see “
Conclusions: Serum total cholesterol and LDL-C level is associated with increased CVD mortality, but HDL-C level is inversely associated with CVD mortality.”

Serum Cholesterol Levels and Risk of Cardiovascular Death: A Systematic Review and a Dose-Response Meta-Analysis of Prospective Cohort Studies - PubMed

Serum total cholesterol and LDL-C level is associated with increased CVD mortality, but HDL-C level is inversely associated with CVD mortality.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We’ve always understood good vs bad cholesterol but why bad raises is not directly related to consumption.

High cholesterol

Cholesterol is a fatty substance known as a lipid and is carried in your blood. Learn about the effects of having high cholesterol.

www.nhsinform.scot

It can just be genetic

Causes and Risk Factors

An unhealthy lifestyle is the most common cause of high cholesterol. Learn how other conditions, medicine, or your family history can also lead to high blood cholesterol, and what you can do to prevent it.

www.nhlbi.nih.gov

If a doctor tells you to stop eating meat do it but don’t be afraid to read about the shit he’s talking about and have real in depth conversations about realistic causes and effects. Going vegan could help but can and more than likely will lead to other issues. Cutting drinking, smoking, junk food, processed shit can and will help and wont harm you in anyway. Finding out which cholesterol is high is important and if both are then where are your triglycerides. Knowing what he’s talking about doesn’t mean you have to spend 12 years in school and have to become a gp, it just means elevating your knowledge bank so you can have a healthy discussion with someone who is suppose to have your best interests in mind.

Doctors get paid to look at a chart and make recommendations based on the knowledge they currently have. If a doctor has been practicing for a period of time and has not updated his knowledge on the current state of science he’s going to preach old practices until he retires. This we know happens quite often in all walks of life. Part of the beauty of these studies is it gives light to these individuals as with the Harvard article, you have a meta study and what the doctor they interview says is basically, well we know based on…old information that I still preach as definitive fact.

edited for excessive auto correct issues from phone and to add this study.

The Impact of a Vegan Diet on Many Aspects of Health: The Overlooked Side of Veganism

Vegetarianism in any of its various forms, particularly veganism, has been increasing in popularity over the past few years, especially among the young population in the United States. While several studies have shown that a vegan diet (VD) decreases ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Vitamin D Deficiency - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

Vitamin D and Cardiovascular Disease

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[hypertrophyy]

Thanks for taking the time with the links. I understand healthy basics. I don't think I fully conceptualize the contraction of heart disease. I mean, I get there are a plethora of factors involved. Heart disease seems to be a synergy of bad conditions which leads to the problem. I need to do my diligence in educating myself beyond the basics. In my limited understanding, high fats from animal proteins raise LDL, which is the leading risk factor towards the disease.

In your first link, the conclusion suggests plant proteins lower LDL. That must be why my doc is pointing in this direction.

I have a side question now. I've known Arimidex spikes LDL and have seen it myself. If my LDL is out of whack from taking Arimidex for years on end... won't this lead to heart disease just like any of these other unhealthy things? Wouldn't this make Arimidex a bad drug long term?

 

[Resilient]

You are right about the armidex alot of doctors are backing away from it now. I'm just saying this because I care but why don't you try the diet do some blood work in a couple of months and at least see the difference. You don't want heart problems man a able body is something you should be proud to have and valued. Not trying to come down to hard on you just want you to be healthy

 

[hypertrophyy]

Thanks Res. I do my best to keep my stories here small, as I will ramble forever, if not controlled. Right now, I plan on eating plant protein for half by meals and maybe more depending how my body responds. The thing is, my lifestyle is not consistent through the whole year. I'm either an off or on type. The big thing I have noticed is my blood work when eating "healthy" during my cuts. Also, when running Adex, my LDL is trash, like horrible. I've had bloods prior to using Adex and when off. It's like a 70+ point difference. I normally run Aromasin. When I'm not dieting, I eat tons of trash as well over the years. I think the best thing I've seen are my bloods when cutting and not using Adex. That's when they look the best, as do I haha.

 

[DieViolent]

Thanks for taking the time with the links. I understand healthy basics. I don't think I fully conceptualize the contraction of heart disease. I mean, I get there are a plethora of factors involved. Heart disease seems to be a synergy of bad conditions which leads to the problem. I need to do my diligence in educating myself beyond the basics. In my limited understanding, high fats from animal proteins raise LDL, which is the leading risk factor towards the disease.

In your first link, the conclusion suggests plant proteins lower LDL. That must be why my doc is pointing in this direction.

I have a side question now. I've known Arimidex spikes LDL and have seen it myself. If my LDL is out of whack from taking Arimidex for years on end... won't this lead to heart disease just like any of these other unhealthy things? Wouldn't this make Arimidex a bad drug long term?

High saturated fats specifically. So breast meat chicken would be perfectly acceptable, this is why I say your doc has an agenda. 100g of baked skinless breast meat chicken has 4g of fat 1 of those being saturated. The impossible ground beef (not the burger the “beef” you buy in the store (vegan) contains 6g of saturated fat…I mean limit your intake of red meat if you must, but the vegan angle is as full of shit as it’s ever been.

 

[Resilient]

Thanks Res. I do my best to keep my stories here small, as I will ramble forever, if not controlled. Right now, I plan on eating plant protein for half by meals and maybe more depending how my body responds. The thing is, my lifestyle is not consistent through the whole year. I'm either an off or on type. The big thing I have noticed is my blood work when eating "healthy" during my cuts. Also, when running Adex, my LDL is trash, like horrible. I've had bloods prior to using Adex and when off. It's like a 70+ point difference. I normally run Aromasin. When I'm not dieting, I eat tons of trash as well over the years. I think the best thing I've seen are my bloods when cutting and not using Adex. That's when they look the best, as do I haha.

Being consistent is important and its ok to share whatever your comfortable sharing. Olm is family. I agree with you on adex. There some people who can get away with eating whatever they want. Is it advisable no. The world has changed what's in our grocery stories is not real food anymore. What's in our water is not water anymore same goes in our air. Start by little things besides diet get a reverse osmosis first to your body like you've done before when your bloods where best when you were cutting then do that for awhile. Try to keep your stress low so if it helps talking to us then do that. Everyone's body is different. You are what you eat I do beleive that and I guess I should say you are what you digest too. All I know is doctors..trainers..athlete's.."celebrities" are going more vegetarian for various reasons maybe there sick with something or have a health problem. But it's easier on your body. At least do it until you do it until your good shape and like you said you know when you get cut your body and blood work is great.