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Old 02-23-2012, 12:30 PM
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I didn't want to hijack the original thread I posted so I am reposting it with some edits. So here are my thoughts:

Bottom line: we are injecting shit that WE HOPE is GH, but very few of us are sure unless you are getting it directly from a pharmacy (which I am). But there price difference between pharma and Chinese GH is enormous so is it mostly real or only some of it?

I'm just a Bro like most of you tired of reading the same stupid thread asking "what is the best GH?" and then having some bro saying "these blank blank tops are the shit because of blank blank sides!!".

A lot of folks will parrot "trust your source" I agree... to a point. I trust one source here but I will verify EVERY ORDER by GH serum testing from now on. No exceptions why? Because it may be outside of his control. TRUST BUT VERIFY!!

I don't want to start any shit BUT too many folks getting bunk shit or just pulling their hair out trying to figure out what the fuck are they injecting into their bodies. First it was the underdosed/bunk Kigs, now based on some preliminary testing by some folks the Genheals over at PM appear to be bunk.

HOWEVER, some "experienced vets" (whatever the fuck that means) were swearing by Genheal and Kigs swearing it up and down they were getting lean and lots of sides. But now some folks are starting to get GH serum testing and going WTF? Too many sources offering "generic Jins", WTF is that?

At the same time the DRAMA on PM over testing is so fucking laughable, people accusing each other of having source-associations and what not. People being banned for disagreeing with mods or having relationship with sources. A lot of childish shit going on there that wouldn't go on here for one second. No one is allowed to post their test results because it may piss off a source or affect their business.

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Old 02-23-2012, 12:37 PM
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So here is the deal: I have no affiliation with anyone source, boards, or whatever. I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED ANY FREE GEAR, DISCOUNTS OR WHATEVER FROM ANY SOURCE. I can afford pharma grade and have been using it for several months now, BUT at 5-10 IU a day is getting pretty damn expensive.

Question is: why pay $15/IU (seriously) when I can pay considerably less for chinese grade if I find the brand with the right potency?

I was on Tevtropin 9 iu/day and NO SIDES.

But on Novos I took 5 ius and could not sleep due to numb fingers... so novos are stronger than pharma??

I couple of years ago I was on 5 iu of Thanktropin and I thought I was going to die with sides Thanks stronger than Pharma? (well let's find out)

I get so much damn water retention of Rips but not on Tevtropin or Humatrope. (is it because it is stronger than Pharma? some people seem to think that on PM. well let's find out)

Is it because all of these Chinese GHs stronger than pharma (not likely, but who knows?) or is it an individual reaction to something within the vials that causes a lot of sides for me?. I can't test for inpurities but I can test for how the GH potency affects my blood serum. That is more than enough for me right now. I need to know because if they are just as strong as pharma WHY AM I SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY on TEVs or Humatrope?

BTW these are legit pharma bought at a pharmacy with a prescription from my TRT/HRT doctor.

So here is my GH Serum testing schedule:

Monday 2/20: Tevtropin 6 IU - testing completed - results in.

Wednesday 2/22: Thanks 10 IU - testing completed - results in.

Friday 2/24: Novos 10IU - testing completed - awaiting results

Monday 2/27: Rips 10 IU

Friday 3/2: Ellis 10 IU

Monday 3/5: Hyges 8 IU (these are from my last purchase before the Hyge bust in China)

Wednesday 3/7 "generic Jins" -

I also have some Genheal in route, but it may take a while to get them.

I just want to find one to three solid brands of GH and stick to them. Retest everytime I make a large order and have some limited peace of mind when I inject myself with this shit. For medical and frankly aesthetic (I like the way I look and feel) reasons I am on TRT/HRT for life so I might as well test everything. I'm over 40 with a family and a business so I have no desire to become a mass monster or to step on a stage as a BB. It is a lifestyle for me as for most of you I assume.

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Old 02-23-2012, 12:45 PM
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A caveat: BUYER BEWARE. This is my personal gear bought by me, so it DOES NOT MEAN that the next batch someone else buys will be the same quality. It could be better or worse. Who the fuck knows with the Chinese? A couple of years ago they were selling tainted dog food and baby formula!

Just look at the Kigs fiasco going on other boards. MODS jumping all over suppliers and suppliers having to reship dozens of packs due to underdosed/bunk kigs. You know the deal, I would suggest anyone buying more than 1000 IU to take one vial and do the GH serum testing themselves!!

If the mods do not have a problem with it I will post the my results, THESE ARE MY RESULTS, it does not mean someone will not have a different test result because the GH is assimilated differently in their bodies.

I will post the results as I get them if that is ok. I will post the actual labcorp results at the end once I have time to erase all my personal data. If any of the results are within normal ranges (0.0-2.9 ng/mL) I will retest.

I will not disclose my sources BUT I would like to emphasize that I bought all gear for my own personal use and have not received any free or discounted GH. I have no affiliation with any sources, mods, etc. NOR DO THEY KNOW I AM TESTING THEIR GEAR!

I am not a doctor nor a bro-scientist. Whether we like it or not, most of us are in this shit together dealing with sources, people with hidden agendas and worst of all, LE just because we want to feel better and improve our bodies.

If the MODS have a problem with anything that I am saying or doing, just shoot me a PM and I will STFU and keep my shit to myself.

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Old 02-23-2012, 12:49 PM
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Default Result - Tevtropin Hgh Serum Test

LABTEST DATE--------------------- HGH------------------- TIME INJ.---------------- TEST TIME------------ INJECTION ------------------------- RESULT--------------- RESULT DATE
2/20/12----------------------------- TEVTROPIN-------------- 1045---------------- 1357-------------- IM -------------------------- 19.9 ng/mL ----------------------- 2/21/12

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Old 02-23-2012, 12:53 PM
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again thanks for all you are doing.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:36 PM
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Default Result - Thanktropin Hgh Serum Test

LABTEST DATE--------------------- HGH------------------- TIME INJ.---------------- TEST TIME------------ INJECTION ------------------------- RESULT--------------- RESULT DATE
2/22/12----------------------------- THANKTROPIN-------------- 0830 ---------------- 1148-------------- IM -------------------------- 19.7 ng/mL ----------------------- 2/23/12
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So far so good - 10iu good generic is roughly equivalent to 6iu pharm grade.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:48 PM
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Labcorp results for Tevtropin and Thanktropin

Will tests Novos tomorrow.
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your a good man, finally someone is putting the shit to a real test. so far i think those #'s are good. at least it shows it's actually GH.
i am on novos now and have thanks on the way.
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Since I got a few PMs inquiring what GH serum test I am purchasing, here it is:

https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_te...%20Hormone#534
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Very cool to see u doing this..appreciated!
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I've been doing the hgh serum test for quite awhile, basically since privatemdlabs came out with it. I shoot IM and then have blood draw done between 3-4 hours after, this is of course done after a full night of fasting. Is this your protocol or similar to it? I have another round of testing coming up and will be willing to share my results as well, although as you stated, from one batch to the next.....you just never know.
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Here is a discount code for private md labs. hagepuwr
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Since I got a few PMs inquiring what GH serum test I am purchasing, here it is:

https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_te...%20Hormone#534
I'm going to get this done my next blood test. I just got my blood work done on tuesday. But I forgot to take my damn shot of gh before I went.

I use Privatemdlabs all the time.
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I'm curious if there's a big difference if you do IM or sub-q. I always do sub-q.
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I'm curious if there's a big difference if you do IM or sub-q. I always do sub-q.
I don't think it makes a difference, pretty much IM and Sub-q are within 3-4 hour window. Again I'm not a bro-scientist, I just read a lot.
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I will also post pics of the vials with batch numbers/manuf dates just in case someone has the same numbers.
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Not surprised with the number for Thanks. Great Gh just lots of unwanted sides.

Excited to see the results on the generic Jins. By far some of the best GH Ive done in years.
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This is great. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I purchased a gh serum test from direct labs last week. How long should you be taking the gh before you get the test. A few days, a week, a month? Or does it not matter.
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take 5-10IU 3 to 4 hrs before test
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Bros, I have been getting a lot of PMs about GH Peak times and WHY 3-4 HOURS POST INJECTION FOR TESTING. HERE IT IS:
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http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6904/7/10

Research article
Pharmacokinetics of recombinant human growth hormone administered by cool.click™ 2, a new needle-free device, compared with subcutaneous administration using a conventional syringe and needle
Chris Brearley1, Anthony Priestley2, James Leighton-Scott2 and Michel Christen3*
* Corresponding author: Michel Christen michel.christen@merckserono.net
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BMC Clinical Pharmacology 2007, 7:10 doi:10.1186/1472-6904-7-10

The electronic version of this article is the complete one and can be found online at: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6904/7/10

Received: 8 December 2006
Accepted: 8 October 2007
Published: 8 October 2007

© 2007 Brearley et al.; licensee BioMed Central Ltd.
This is an Open Access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0), which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.
Abstract
Background
Growth hormone (GH) is used to treat growth hormone deficiency (GHD, adult and paediatric), short bowel syndrome in patients on a specialized diet, HIV-associated wasting and, in children, growth failure due to a number of disorders including Turner's syndrome and chronic renal failure, and in children born small for gestational age. Different brands and generic forms of recombinant human growth hormone (r-hGH) are approved for varying indications in different countries. New ways of administering GH are required because the use of a needle and syringe or a device where a patient still has to insert the needle manually into the skin on a daily basis can lead to low adherence and sub-optimal treatment outcomes. The objective of this study was to assess the relative bioavailability of r-hGH (Saizen®, Merck Serono) administered by a new needle-free device, cool.click™ 2, and a standard needle and syringe.

Methods
The study was performed with 38 healthy volunteers who underwent pituitary somatotrope cell down-regulation using somatostatin, according to a randomized, two-period, two-sequence crossover design. Following subcutaneous administration of r-hGH using cool.click™ 2 or needle and syringe, pharmacokinetic parameters were analysed by non-compartmental methods. Bioequivalence was assessed based on log-transformed AUC and Cmax values.

Results
The 90% confidence intervals for test/reference mean ratio of the plasma pharmacokinetic variables Cmax and AUC0-inf were 103.7–118.3 and 97.1–110.0, respectively, which is within the accepted bioequivalence range of 80–125%. r-hGH administered by cool.click™ 2 is, therefore, bioequivalent to administration by needle and syringe with respect to the rate and extent of GH exposure. Treatment using cool.click™ 2 was found to be well tolerated. With cool.click™ 2 the tmax was less (3.0 hours) than for needle and syringe delivery (4.5 hours), p = 0.002 (Friedman test), although this is unlikely to have any clinical implications.

Conclusion
These results demonstrate that cool.click™ 2 delivers subcutaneous r-hGH exposure that is bioequivalent to the conventional mode of injection. The new device has the additional advantage of being needle-free, and should help to increase patient adherence and achieve good therapeutic outcomes from r-hGH treatment.

Background
Growth hormone deficiency (GHD) affects both children and adults, and clinical manifestations vary depending on the age of onset [1]. Children present with short stature and low growth rate [2], while adults have altered body composition and metabolism with reduced physical performance [3]. At all ages, quality of life is impaired [4,5].

For many years, replacement therapy using exogenous human growth hormone (GH) has been used successfully to treat children with GHD [6], and has more recently benefited adult patients with GHD [7]. GH is now produced using recombinant DNA technology [8], and is also used to treat growth failure due to a number of other disorders including Turner's syndrome [9-11] and chronic renal failure [12], and in children born small for gestational age [13].

Conventional GH therapy for GHD was originally developed as a daily subcutaneous injection using a standard needle and syringe. However, many patients (a large proportion of who are children and adolescents) find that using needles is painful and this provokes fear of the injection procedure, resulting in potential non-adherence and sub-optimal therapy. Efforts have focused on finding alternative means of administering GH to patients. Delivery devices such as pre-filled syringes, manual injector pens, auto-injectors, injectors with hidden needles and needle-free devices have been introduced in an attempt to improve dosing accuracy and flexibility, ease-of-use, convenience, adherence and patient-friendliness [14-19]. However, the majority of injections still require manual insertion of the needle into the skin by the patient.

Needle-free devices have been introduced for GH therapy, having already been used for some time to administer insulin to patients with diabetes mellitus [20] although, in the latter case, local reactions may have limited more widespread acceptance. These devices expel the liquid preparation of the hormone through a small disposable nozzle at high pressure so that it is forced through the skin and dispersed in the subcutaneous region. This mode of administration is as effective as a conventional injection [21,22], but has the added advantage of reduced adverse psychological effects [23].

In response to feedback regarding a wish for simplification of dose selection and improvement of the ergonomics of the present device, the next-generation cool.click™ 2 needle-free injection device for administration of r-hGH has now been developed by Merck Serono (an affiliate of Merck KGaA, Darmstadt, Germany). The new device is similar to the current version of cool.click™, with the additional benefit that it allows dosing in milligrams. The original cool.click™ device allowed dosing only by volume, which meant clinicians had to convert from mass (milligrams r-hGH prescribed) to volume (millilitres of solution to be injected), a procedure that could be further complicated by the fact that different volumes of solvent could be used during reconstitution of the Saizen® powder for injection. In addition, the reading of the cool.click™ linear analogue dosing scale could be difficult – a vertical scale had to be aligned with a horizontal scale to set the required injection volume. In cool.click™ 2, this analogue scale has been replaced by a digital LCD dose readout. Lastly, compared with the original device, cool.click™ 2 is quieter in operation and has a modified design for ease of use and to facilitate handling by children (with smaller hands).

The main objective of this study (Study No. 25821) was to demonstrate that r-hGH administration using the cool.click™ 2 needle-free delivery device was bioequivalent to injection with a standard syringe and needle, the reference standard mode of injection.

Methods
Subjects
Healthy male volunteers with pituitary somatotrope cell down-regulation were screened for eligibility, for recruitment into the study. To be eligible for inclusion, subjects were required to fulfil the following criteria: age 21–50 years; have a body weight greater than 60 kg and a body mass index (BMI) in the range of 22–30 kg/m2; have vital signs in the normal range; and must have agreed to use barrier contraception during the study and for 3 months following completion of the post-study visit. A subject was not entered into the study if he had evidence of any surgical or medical condition that might have interfered with the pharmacokinetics of the investigational medicinal product or if he had received any investigational drug in the 12 weeks prior to dosing.

Study design
The study was designed as a phase I, randomized, open-label, two-period, two-sequence crossover study. Treatment started within 21 days of screening. Each study period lasted 3 days, with a washout period of at least 7 days between drug administrations. The subjects were randomly assigned to one of two treatment sequences. Subjects were allocated a randomization number in sequential, chronological order immediately prior to first dose administration, in accordance with the randomization list supplied by the sponsor (Serono).

The first treatment sequence received a 0.5 mL (2.92 mg) subcutaneous dose of r-hGH (Saizen®, Merck Serono) administered by standard needle and syringe (period 1) followed by administration of the same dose of rhGH using the cool.click™ 2 needle-free injection device (period 2). The second treatment sequence received 0.5 mL (2.92 mg) r-hGH administered by the cool.click™ 2 device (period 1) followed by administration of the same dose of r-hGH using a standard needle and syringe (period 2).

The protocol was approved by the local research ethics committee and conducted in accordance with the Declaration of Helsinki and good clinical practice. Subjects gave written informed consent to participate in the study.

Experimental procedures
The subjects remained in the clinical unit from 16 hours before dosing until 30 hours post-dose. To down-regulate endogenous GH sufficiently to enable accurate assessment of serum GH concentration-time profiles, somatostatin (3 mg) was given intravenously by continuous infusion for 25 hours (corresponding to a rate of approximately 1.75 μg/kg body weight/hour), commencing 1 hour prior to dosing with r-hGH to allow pituitary somatotrope cell down-regulation to be established.

Subcutaneous injections of GH were administered alternately to the left or right lower external abdominal wall with the subject in a relaxed sitting position. A different location on the external abdominal wall was used for the cool.click™ 2 needle-free injection device. The abdominal wall below the umbilicus was divided into two areas; one injection was to be administered in each area. The second injection had to be administered at least 10 cm from the first one. Each injection site was clearly circled with a permanent marker prior to dosing.

The 0.5 mL (2.92 mg) dose of r-hGH administered yielded serum hGH concentrations that remained above the limit of quantification of the hGH assay (Euro/DPC Ltd., UK; lower limit of quantification = 3.1 mIU/L) for a sufficient period to enable accurate assessment of the serum hGH concentration-time profile. Blood samples for determination of PK serum hGH concentrations were taken immediately prior to dosing and at 1, 2, 3, 4, 4.5, 5, 5.5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 18 and 24 hours post-dosing in both treatment periods.

Data management and analysis methods
Serum concentrations of GH were analysed for each subject by non-compartmental methods using WinNonLin® Professional 4.1 (Pharsight, USA).

The following pharmacokinetic parameters were computed: area under the serum concentration-time curve from time zero to the last quantifiable concentration (AUC0-last); area under the serum concentration-time curve extrapolated to infinity (AUC0-inf); peak serum concentration (Cmax); time of peak serum concentration (tmax); and elimination half-life (t1/2).

The areas under the GH concentration-time curves were calculated according to the log-linear trapezoidal rule [26].

Bioequivalence was assessed according to EU Guideline CPMP/EWP/QWP/1401/98 and the FDA Code of Federal Regulations. Following logarithmic transformation, an analysis of variance (ANOVA, SAS®) was performed on GH metrics (Cmax, AUC0-last, AUC0-inf and tmax) of the full analysis population. There were no imputations for missing data. The ANOVA model consisted of the logarithmically transformed Cmax parameter as the response variable with factors for sequence, subject nested in sequence, period and mode of administration (treatment). Using an average bioequivalence approach, a 90% confidence interval (CI) for the true ratio test (needle-free device) to reference (needle injection) of the means of the two treatments was produced from this model and compared with the equivalence acceptance limits 80–125%.

Based on data from previous Serono r-hGH studies, when the sample size in each sequence group is 15 (and the total sample size is 30), a crossover design has a 90% power to demonstrate equivalence within the acceptance limits of 80–125%, assuming that the expected ratio of means was 1.000, the crossover ANOVA, MSE (ln scale) was 0.250 [the SD differences, σd (ln scale) were 0.354], that data were analysed in the natural log scale using t-tests for differences in means, and that each t-test was made at the 5% level. Taking into account a potential drop-out rate of approximately 20%, it was estimated that approximately 38 subjects were required to complete this study.

The pharmacokinetic analysis population consisted of all 38 subjects (100%) who were randomized into this study and who had evaluable pharmacokinetic data for both periods.

Results
Thirty-eight healthy male volunteers completed the study. Demographic and baseline characteristics for each subject (Table 1) were in compliance with specific inclusion and exclusion criteria. There were no major protocol deviations, no subjects dropped out and no subjects were withdrawn.

Table 1. Summary of baseline subject demographic data
The ANOVA model assumptions were met satisfactorily and there was no significant sequence effect (p = 0.980). The mean ± SD serum concentration vs time profiles for GH following administration of 2.92 mg of r-hGH by either the needle-free device, cool.click™ 2, or by needle injection were generally similar throughout the 25-hour blood-monitoring period (Figure 1). Geometric mean values for AUC0-inf, AUC0-last and t1/2 were similar between the two administration methods (Table 2). The maximum serum GH concentrations (Cmax) of 18–20 ng/mL were observed 3–4.5 hours (tmax) after drug administration (Table 2, Figure 1).

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Labcorp results for Tevtropin and Thanktropin

Will tests Novos tomorrow.
You test the novos yet?
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You test the novos yet?
Yeah, waiting for the labcorp results. I expect them on Monday,

Monday I test the Rips
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Yeah, waiting for the labcorp results. I expect them on Monday,

Monday I test the Rips
Hope it comes back good, just snagged some.
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Yeah, waiting for the labcorp results. I expect them on Monday,

Monday I test the Rips
You are gonna be pin cushion when this is done with .....

Thanks for the info, and I agree with most of what you say.

Who knows WTF the chinese put in there to give us the sides.

I just started phram grade, and I feel overall "Better".
(Maybe its just in my head from peace of mind)

But it is ..... different.

I do get some sides .. but not as "Heavy".
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