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best Fuckin Post Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!! Every Person And Especially Younger Guys Need To Read This Shit!!!!!! Great Post Bro Your The Man!!!
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excellent post, the truth hurts sometimes and not everyone wants to hear it.
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MAN THAT WAS WELL SAID, SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE I KNOW!
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Here’s some info for guys who want to gain 20-25lbs on a cycle.


Everyone wants to know how to gain high poundages on a cycle. We’ve all got a “friend” in a gym somewhere that gained 25lbs on his last cycle and we want to do the same. We ask ourselves…What is his secret? Is the juice he’s taking that good? Is it a good diet in conjunction with the test.. is that what is responsible? Well, here’s the answer.. NO, his particular anabolic compound of choice be it Sustanon, Winstrol, Dbol, Tren, etc… isn’t so great that whoever takes one of those compounds will grow.. nor is his diet so “on” that he will gain more than us.

Here’s the truth.. and some of you won’t like it.. Some of you may even get pissed off.. The reason these guys grow so much on their cycles is because they shouldn’t even be using steroids to begin with… And that’s the truth… That may sound a bit confusing.. yes? Well allow me to elaborate…

You take a 20 yr old male. He has been lifting on and off for six months or so… He’s about 6 foot tall maybe a little shorter.. 5’10” or so.. He weighs about 165lbs.. He’s got a little bit of definition.. nothing big.. when his shirt is off people can tell he’s been working out.. He decides one day that he wants to take steroids, He sees the really big guys in the gym and he wants to be like them right now.. he doesn’t want to wait any longer.. in his mind six months has been long enough.. So he gets on the internet.. he finds a message board similar to this one.. he reads a little .. finds a hook up.. and decides to run 250mg of test and 300mg of deca for two months and ends up weighing around 185 or 190.. All of his friends are amazed.. he’s amazed He’s put on some size.. he looks like a weight lifter.. he doesn’t look like someone who could compete.. but he looks like he’s finally arrived on the Body building scene… His closest friends are so impressed that they want to run the exact same cycle .. He tells them exactly what he did.. how he ate etc… Now, a few months go by.. all of a sudden the kid is back to around 165 maybe 170.. He thinks.. “Oh man.. I’ve got to get back on cycle.. I need those drugs to be big.. if I don’t.. I just can’t grow… Steroids require that I stay on all the time to maintain the kind of size that I want”… I guess that’s what he has to do; huh; stay on all the time?

Now, here’s the reason he gained 25lbs on his cycle.. He was so far from his genetic potential that once the anabolic compounds were introduced into his system he grew like a weed.. His body didn’t need to struggle to put on that mass, because it was quite capable of adding that much mass naturally.. The steroids just sped it up..

it is for lack of a better or more accurate word.. a short cut to get to where he could have gotten natural anyway. His inevitable weight loss after coming off his "super" cycle wasn’t from the lack of steroids.. it was from a lack of a proper foundation.. a Lack of proper training skills, and a lack of muscular maturation…

Here’s the deal.. guys who need steroids aren’t the guys who are growing 25+lbs per cycle.. they are gaining 10lbs and hopefully keeping 5-8.. They are struggling to even do that.. I’ll tell you from personal experience.. I am 30 yrs old 6’2” .. I am 284lbs currently.. I am 17% BF (I’m a power lifter/strongman.. so I keep a little extra fat on me)…If I wanted to keep the same body fat % I have now and weigh 300lbs.. I would have to run a very long cycle. or in all honesty it will take me two full cycles to get to 3 bills..

An average cycle for me is about 750mg Test, 450mg Deca, 300mg EQ and Some Dbol in the front and at the end… Those are some fairly heavy dosages...Why don’t I gain 25lbs per cycle?

Because No matter how much gear I take.. no matter how much I eat.. my body is so far beyond it’s genetic potential that I simply can’t add that kind of radical mass anymore..

My body does a fairly good job of maintaining mass when I’m not on cycle.. but I do drop weight regardless.. and in truth, the only reason my body maintains it’s size as well as it does is because of Muscle maturation.. My body is used to carrying around that muscle.. it’s not a shock to my body to carry it around.. And I built a solid mass foundation naturally years ago.. I reached my genetic potential before I started using juice.. Lifting was a habit and a lifestyle for me because I played football from Junior high through College.

I’ve worked out in gyms all over the country.. and I have been doing so for the better part of a decade.. and I'll tell you, I have seen a lot of little guys blow up for a couple of months from a cycle only to deflate a couple of months later. It's the truth.. Muscle Maturation plays a huge key in keeping mass... that and proper training skills.. (and no hitting bench 3 days a week and squatting once every few months doesn't count)

So in truth, when you hear about some guy who gained 25-30lbs off of a cycle.. Please keep in mind that he is probably some impatient tiny punk that could have easily gained the same amount of muscle had he just been a little more patient.. If he had just been focused on learning how to train.. focused on how to eat…

This is a lifestyle.. there are no short cuts if you want to be the real deal.... There will never be a fly by nighter even win the smallest amateur comp in booney freaking Iowa if he hasn't been serious for years...

It's important that you guys learn that Juice may seem like the best short cut in the beginning... but whenever you add that much mass that quickly from gear.. Your body isn’t going to be ready for it.. it will literally fight you to keep it.. the sudden size and strength will stress the ligaments, tendons, bones and central nervous system and Your body will do everything that it can to shed those rapid muscle gains.. Decent muscle mass is only kept through time and hard work (cough.. cough.. it's a cliché.. but it's still true).. and it's important that your gains aren't so fast that the body can't adjust healthfully to it’s new weight gain..

I've been on the boards for years.. and I'll tell you, 80% of the people on these boards are wannabes and posers.. they are guys who won’t even be working out six months from now.. They are impatient and are looking for the shortcut.. they may even get a few short term results.. but in the long run they will come out behind everyone else (and when I say long run.. i mean less than a year or two)

These kind of guys will never be anything more than a hobbyist.. and in truth...that is probably the case in every other aspect of their lives as well, not just weight lifting..

So in the end my advice is this.. if you are wanting to add some mass. and you’re stuck.. learn a different training method.. change your diet.. and if you’re a good size.. (that’s when everyone who is in the room with you knows you’re a weight lifter.. if you walk in a room, and everyone in there doesn’t know that you lift… you are not ready for steroids) then come and sit down.. and we’ll talk about steroids.. until then… Learn how to train.. learn how to eat.. and spend some time in the gym.. you’ll be so much better off in the end…

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Great post Phreezer.

You have done a great job of summing up steroid use as we know it today. To put it bluntly, generally, the use of steroids nowadays has just become pathetic.

There are so many people out there experimenting with these drugs in such a way as though they are some kind of "miracle pills", and on top of that, using them without doing any kind of research first to find out the proper and safest way to use them. Just as you have explained, there is not only a proper and safe way to use them, but there is specific TIME to begin using them.

I am 39 years old now, and I didn't start using steroids until I was 32 years old. I weighed 265 lbs at 6'0". Granted, about 40 lbs of that was fat, but still, I tried to build up a good foundation of size and strength before doing my first cycle. I also started studying steroid use about 10 years before I ever did that first cycle.

In bodybuilding, powerlifting or any other sport that requires size, strength, power, or endurance.. proper training, diet, self-discipline and most importantly, KNOWLEDGE and PATIENCE should be well-developed long before there should be any consideration of using steroids.

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This was a great post...i just have a question...you said your body will fight you back because the weight you put on is unnatural....lets take the guy's friend that was 135 and took juice in the 12th grade and blew up to 195 lbs...lets say after cycle he kept up with working out and ate enough calories to maintain his weight for a 195 pound man...would he keep his gains or would his body fight him and he would lose everything?
This is exactly what is being explained here. First of all, a 12th grader, or a 17 or 18 year old, should not even be using steroids, or even think about using them for several more years.

Secondly, at that age, and bodyweight, one could easily gain 60 lbs naturally... easy... I did that at that age myself. So, to use steroids to gain that weight, at that age is just plain stupid.

Nothing else needs to be said. Read Phreezer's post, and go by it.

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excellent post. Ive said similar things to lots of younger guys wanting to start aas.
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Don't do steroids unless you've past your genetic potential naturally
and people who do lose their muscle because they used steroids.

Get stale. It's simply not true. Muscle won't magically disappear and that 20 pounds gained can be maintained and grown on. Turning these rants into stickies is similar to the threads that say 250mgs of test is all you really need.

If you don't think people should do steroids because they lack the maturity to make informed decisions then say so. Don't pretend that all things being equal that steroids only work for the pure of mind. They aren't psychic and they don't have morals.


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This was a great post...i just have a question...you said your body will fight you back because the weight you put on is unnatural....lets take the guy's friend that was 135 and took juice in the 12th grade and blew up to 195 lbs...lets say after cycle he kept up with working out and ate enough calories to maintain his weight for a 195 pound man...would he keep his gains or would his body fight him and he would lose everything?
I have no idea... You're talking about children taking steroids that have no business taking steroids. There aren't enough studies (nor do I think there ever will be) to answer questions like this. How can anyone know what a year of Steroid usage would do to a 17 year olds body????

I've seen lots of guys graduate high school at 140lbs and then fill out in their early 20's around 190lbs completely natural with not much weight training. Some people develop later than others.

As a male you are still physically growing and developing up until around 20 years old. My post is geared more towards people who have reached a decent physical maturation. Not for children.
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Don't do steroids unless you've past your genetic potential naturally
and people who do lose their muscle because they used steroids.

Get stale. It's simply not true. Muscle won't magically disappear and that 20 pounds gained can be maintained and grown on. Turning these rants into stickies is similar to the threads that say 250mgs of test is all you really need.

If you don't think people should do steroids because they lack the maturity to make informed decisions then say so. Don't pretend that all things being equal that steroids only work for the pure of mind. They aren't psychic and they don't have morals.


That's my little rant.
You obviously need to re-read what I wrote. LMAO.. Who said anything about steroids working for the pure of mind??? Where the fuck did that comment come from...? And making reference to morals or psychic? Where did I imply anything like that? Or that steroids don't work.. They work too well for guys who aren't ready for them.. that's my point. Talk about twisting what I said into some seriously misinterpreted mess.

I'm sorry but it takes time for the body to acclimate itself to serious weight fluxuations.. regardless of what you say. The first time you come off the bean your body will try and shed that weight because it's not use to it. The human body doesn't like to adapt overnight to anything. It takes years for the body to get accustomed to serious changes. That's why you never see any guys who have been bodybuilding for a year taking steroids stepping onto a pro stage.. That's why you don't see guys skinny one month and three months later fat as fuck.. HOMEOSTASIS is something the human body fights for..

But whatever, it's my opinion. If you don't like it.. that's fine. It's your right to disagree.

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Oh.. and one more thing. I'll make whatever I want a sticky in this forum.. I created it. I hang what I want on my walls.. If you don't like the decor.. stay out of my house.
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Phreezer you are a preacher my man, you should start your own religion...LOL

Great post bro, definitely a Sticky candidate, I'm all for it my man.
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I agree with 90% of your original statement. I disagree with the last paragraph. When Im in a room I dont stick out as a bodybuilder, I do look semi fit. I feel I have reached my gen potential. Im 30 6 foot-185, I have been training for seven years, have made constant improvements in my training and diet. Without 2-3 cycles a year, Im a steady 170. My gen are horrible. I just recently learned how to keep gains when off cycle, by low dose dbol for two months after. I know everyone is different , and Im not attacking your statement, just trying to add to it.
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I agree with 90% of your original statement. I disagree with the last paragraph. When Im in a room I dont stick out as a bodybuilder, I do look semi fit. I feel I have reached my gen potential. Im 30 6 foot-185, I have been training for seven years, have made constant improvements in my training and diet. Without 2-3 cycles a year, Im a steady 170. My gen are horrible. I just recently learned how to keep gains when off cycle, by low dose dbol for two months after. I know everyone is different , and Im not attacking your statement, just trying to add to it.
You make sense dude. Not all bodybuilders are 250+ pound guys and not everyone defines success as how big you get. People suspect that I'm a bodybuilder or as a women in the office recently observed, "into some kind of athletics". But, at a contest weight of about 180# and 5'10", my involvement in the sport doesn't exactly scream out . And you know what? That is fine with me.

I think the spirit of 11's post is that most kids have zero business doing the stuff. You know what, and this will proabbly piss everyone off, I would say probably 90% of the people on these boards have no business doing it. Most dont compete and have absolutely no intention of doing so. Taking these drugs to look big around the gym or to impress people when you're out partying is just insane! But, Whatever. I do and have done plenty of stupid shit in my life so I'm in no position to judge anyone. I just hope these young bro's are being safe and looking out for their long term health.
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Hey Phreezer how the hell ya been my man? Great post brother. I love to lift just as much off as I'm on,and its so damn hard to get that extra 5lbs,becasue I'm at my genetic biggest, but you keep training hard,lifting with quality and you learn more training strategies,and you keep real to the deal,and make lifting a everyday lesson to learn more from your training regimen. A shortcut just isn't worth it,until you got as far as you possibly could and you have been lifting for atleast 5 years in my opinion. Good post brother.
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Here’s some info for guys who want to gain 20-25lbs on a cycle.


Everyone wants to know how to gain high poundages on a cycle. We’ve all got a “friend” in a gym somewhere that gained 25lbs on his last cycle and we want to do the same. We ask ourselves…What is his secret? Is the juice he’s taking that good? Is it a good diet in conjunction with the test.. is that what is responsible? Well, here’s the answer.. NO, his particular anabolic compound of choice be it Sustanon, Winstrol, Dbol, Tren, etc… isn’t so great that whoever takes one of those compounds will grow.. nor is his diet so “on” that he will gain more than us.

Here’s the truth.. and some of you won’t like it.. Some of you may even get pissed off.. The reason these guys grow so much on their cycles is because they shouldn’t even be using steroids to begin with… And that’s the truth… That may sound a bit confusing.. yes? Well allow me to elaborate…

You take a 20 yr old male. He has been lifting on and off for six months or so… He’s about 6 foot tall maybe a little shorter.. 5’10” or so.. He weighs about 165lbs.. He’s got a little bit of definition.. nothing big.. when his shirt is off people can tell he’s been working out.. He decides one day that he wants to take steroids, He sees the really big guys in the gym and he wants to be like them right now.. he doesn’t want to wait any longer.. in his mind six months has been long enough.. So he gets on the internet.. he finds a message board similar to this one.. he reads a little .. finds a hook up.. and decides to run 250mg of test and 300mg of deca for two months and ends up weighing around 185 or 190.. All of his friends are amazed.. he’s amazed He’s put on some size.. he looks like a weight lifter.. he doesn’t look like someone who could compete.. but he looks like he’s finally arrived on the Body building scene… His closest friends are so impressed that they want to run the exact same cycle .. He tells them exactly what he did.. how he ate etc… Now, a few months go by.. all of a sudden the kid is back to around 165 maybe 170.. He thinks.. “Oh man.. I’ve got to get back on cycle.. I need those drugs to be big.. if I don’t.. I just can’t grow… Steroids require that I stay on all the time to maintain the kind of size that I want”… I guess that’s what he has to do; huh; stay on all the time?

Now, here’s the reason he gained 25lbs on his cycle.. He was so far from his genetic potential that once the anabolic compounds were introduced into his system he grew like a weed.. His body didn’t need to struggle to put on that mass, because it was quite capable of adding that much mass naturally.. The steroids just sped it up..

it is for lack of a better or more accurate word.. a short cut to get to where he could have gotten natural anyway. His inevitable weight loss after coming off his "super" cycle wasn’t from the lack of steroids.. it was from a lack of a proper foundation.. a Lack of proper training skills, and a lack of muscular maturation…

Here’s the deal.. guys who need steroids aren’t the guys who are growing 25+lbs per cycle.. they are gaining 10lbs and hopefully keeping 5-8.. They are struggling to even do that.. I’ll tell you from personal experience.. I am 30 yrs old 6’2” .. I am 284lbs currently.. I am 17% BF (I’m a power lifter/strongman.. so I keep a little extra fat on me)…If I wanted to keep the same body fat % I have now and weigh 300lbs.. I would have to run a very long cycle. or in all honesty it will take me two full cycles to get to 3 bills..

An average cycle for me is about 750mg Test, 450mg Deca, 300mg EQ and Some Dbol in the front and at the end… Those are some fairly heavy dosages...Why don’t I gain 25lbs per cycle?

Because No matter how much gear I take.. no matter how much I eat.. my body is so far beyond it’s genetic potential that I simply can’t add that kind of radical mass anymore..

My body does a fairly good job of maintaining mass when I’m not on cycle.. but I do drop weight regardless.. and in truth, the only reason my body maintains it’s size as well as it does is because of Muscle maturation.. My body is used to carrying around that muscle.. it’s not a shock to my body to carry it around.. And I built a solid mass foundation naturally years ago.. I reached my genetic potential before I started using juice.. Lifting was a habit and a lifestyle for me because I played football from Junior high through College.

I’ve worked out in gyms all over the country.. and I have been doing so for the better part of a decade.. and I'll tell you, I have seen a lot of little guys blow up for a couple of months from a cycle only to deflate a couple of months later. It's the truth.. Muscle Maturation plays a huge key in keeping mass... that and proper training skills.. (and no hitting bench 3 days a week and squatting once every few months doesn't count)

So in truth, when you hear about some guy who gained 25-30lbs off of a cycle.. Please keep in mind that he is probably some impatient tiny punk that could have easily gained the same amount of muscle had he just been a little more patient.. If he had just been focused on learning how to train.. focused on how to eat…

This is a lifestyle.. there are no short cuts if you want to be the real deal.... There will never be a fly by nighter even win the smallest amateur comp in booney freaking Iowa if he hasn't been serious for years...

It's important that you guys learn that Juice may seem like the best short cut in the beginning... but whenever you add that much mass that quickly from gear.. Your body isn’t going to be ready for it.. it will literally fight you to keep it.. the sudden size and strength will stress the ligaments, tendons, bones and central nervous system and Your body will do everything that it can to shed those rapid muscle gains.. Decent muscle mass is only kept through time and hard work (cough.. cough.. it's a cliché.. but it's still true).. and it's important that your gains aren't so fast that the body can't adjust healthfully to it’s new weight gain..

I've been on the boards for years.. and I'll tell you, 80% of the people on these boards are wannabes and posers.. they are guys who won’t even be working out six months from now.. They are impatient and are looking for the shortcut.. they may even get a few short term results.. but in the long run they will come out behind everyone else (and when I say long run.. i mean less than a year or two)

These kind of guys will never be anything more than a hobbyist.. and in truth...that is probably the case in every other aspect of their lives as well, not just weight lifting..

So in the end my advice is this.. if you are wanting to add some mass. and you’re stuck.. learn a different training method.. change your diet.. and if you’re a good size.. (that’s when everyone who is in the room with you knows you’re a weight lifter.. if you walk in a room, and everyone in there doesn’t know that you lift… you are not ready for steroids) then come and sit down.. and we’ll talk about steroids.. until then… Learn how to train.. learn how to eat.. and spend some time in the gym.. you’ll be so much better off in the end…

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This is definitely a good read! So here I am complaining that I only gained 9 pounds on my cycle and after reading all of this it sounds like that's roughly what I should have gained. I will be 39 this month so I guess in the end on average I will keep approx. 5-6 pounds of muscle.??? So yes....the truth does hurt. But that's not going to stop me or bring me down.
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Phreezer, posts like that are what make this board so incredibly informative.
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howdy,
guys i am 50 now and in BB for way over 30 years. and i´ve read posts like this b4 a thousand times. good post, nothing against that! BUT, you are all talking about your GENETIC LIMIT, or that "your genes" are bad.
NOW, WHO OF YOU IS A SCIENTIST or WORKS with a SCIENTIST to be able to say "my GENES ARE BAD" or "I AM SO FAR BEYOUND MY GENETIC POTENTIAL"??
Common guys, i bet 99% of everything you (and I) know about genes or genetic limits come from reads like FLEX, MMI or some other mag, in there articles, given you take a medical textbook to compare, SCIENCE ENDS, where SCIENCE STARTS i n a textbook.
WHY dont any of you do any RESEARCH on HOW TO TRAIN correctly instead of trying to find another wonder-peptide that will make you grow whatever needs to grow? BODYBUILDING TRAINING as it is performed generally is the most stupid, unscientific, and the worst researched brainless type of killing your time as well as yourself. I AM A BODYBUILDER by heart and soul, and i gave a lot of my health an in this consequence perhaps quite a few years of my life to become a bodybuilder. And after 35 years in this sport, i´ve seen that my fellow bb-peers are so much into science and research for a better way to get to where they wanna be, but i do not see anybody questioning the senseless bodybuilding-training advice given out by people with a perhaps less-scientific background than the average guy on olm posesses...common kids, do RESEARCH in bodybuilding training, the aspects of RECOVERY AND GROWTH, PROPER NUTRITION, NOT meaning to find another super-anabolic-grow-like a weed-power hyper super- make u superstar-over-night- powder, made by the same people that brought this very same BS to us 20 years ago with a different name. If you want to EDUCATE YOURSELF about TRAINING and GROWTH induced by training and HOW and WHY a muscle grows AFTER all, get yourself a copy of POWERFACTOR-training or STATIC-CONTRATION-training. I do not sell these or am affilliated with the autors, and even if you never train how they recommend, read WHAT they have to say about training and recovery. stop bashing your genetis and making your parents responsible for less than favourable progress with your bodybuilding. stop researching for new gear and peptides and cycles. all bodybuilders of the last decades did not invole themselfes in such, even though you WANT to SEE it this way and search for their SECRET. The only SECET in bodybuilding, ok i will tell you here:

THERE IS NO SECRET, that´s the ultimate secret in bodybuilding

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I read Pubmed and Milo. I don't read MF or flex. Your reading comprehension sucks. You need to re-read what I wrote. Genetic potential is different for everyone.. but the litmus test is where you're at when you start and you just reinforce my point of time and training is more important than gear.

It doesn't take a medical degree to know that 90% of gym rats can't get to 250lbs at 4% NATURAL..

But like I've already said.. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But thanks for re-inforcing 90% of what I originally posted.

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guys i am 50 now and in BB for way over 30 years. and i´ve read posts like this b4 a thousand times. good post, nothing against that! BUT, you are all talking about your GENETIC LIMIT, or that "your genes" are bad.
NOW, WHO OF YOU IS A SCIENTIST or WORKS with a SCIENTIST to be able to say "my GENES ARE BAD" or "I AM SO FAR BEYOUND MY GENETIC POTENTIAL"??
Common guys, i bet 99% of everything you (and I) know about genes or genetic limits come from reads like FLEX, MMI or some other mag, in there articles, given you take a medical textbook to compare, SCIENCE ENDS, where SCIENCE STARTS i n a textbook.
WHY dont any of you do any RESEARCH on HOW TO TRAIN correctly instead of trying to find another wonder-peptide that will make you grow whatever needs to grow? BODYBUILDING TRAINING as it is performed generally is the most stupid, unscientific, and the worst researched brainless type of killing your time as well as yourself. I AM A BODYBUILDER by heart and soul, and i gave a lot of my health an in this consequence perhaps quite a few years of my life to become a bodybuilder. And after 35 years in this sport, i´ve seen that my fellow bb-peers are so much into science and research for a better way to get to where they wanna be, but i do not see anybody questioning the senseless bodybuilding-training advice given out by people with a perhaps less-scientific background than the average guy on olm posesses...common kids, do RESEARCH in bodybuilding training, the aspects of RECOVERY AND GROWTH, PROPER NUTRITION, NOT meaning to find another super-anabolic-grow-like a weed-power hyper super- make u superstar-over-night- powder, made by the same people that brought this very same BS to us 20 years ago with a different name. If you want to EDUCATE YOURSELF about TRAINING and GROWTH induced by training and HOW and WHY a muscle grows AFTER all, get yourself a copy of POWERFACTOR-training or STATIC-CONTRATION-training. I do not sell these or am affilliated with the autors, and even if you never train how they recommend, read WHAT they have to say about training and recovery. stop bashing your genetis and making your parents responsible for less than favourable progress with your bodybuilding. stop researching for new gear and peptides and cycles. all bodybuilders of the last decades did not invole themselfes in such, even though you WANT to SEE it this way and search for their SECRET. The only SECET in bodybuilding, ok i will tell you here:

THERE IS NO SECRET, that´s the ultimate secret in bodybuilding

regards robc299

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I was in my mid 20's so its was around my 9th cycle(started when I was 17). I happened to roll into some money after a very lucky night in vegas, so I decided to the the largest one I ever done yet to date. I had been on GH for about 8 months before this began, with a TRT dose of test and 25mcg of T3 rotated in and out

I had the blend custom made for me, its was 150mg of each, leading to a 600mg inject in one ml, made in EO. Which was ran for 6 months straight, the cycle lasted 7months though .Doing 5-7 injections a week of this cocktail with intervals of HCG so the boys would wither and die, and provirion at 50-100mgs depending on how bad the libido was getting.
The mix was made up of
Test Cyp
NandrolonePhenyl Prop
Bold Cyp
Parabolan(Tren Hex)

for the first 8 weeks, I used a combo of 75-100mgs drol(dose varied on how bad the back pumps were, and 50mgs dbol, I tell you, the back pumps you get from that are lethal, the pumps alone were insane, but even trying to do weighted hyper extenstions, when I got off and started to walk it looked like I was frigging John Wayne, getting off a horse Id been riding for 24 hrs straight walking bow legged as anyone could possibly be.

Then I took 8 months of the orals, and continued with brew of the gods, and 8iu of GH ed.

Then for the final stretch, I used the super brew, with 50-75 mgs of anavar(doses varied again with the back pumps), along with 40mgs turanibol. And the same dose of GH. That was the 24 weeks of all the heavy duty shit.

So I could do a long and proper PCT, I stopped using the super brew, cause it did have the test and bold cyp in it, So I started my regimine of HGC for a month while I used low doses of Phenylprop, Parabolan, Winny, and Proviron for the final hardening.

When I was prepubscent teen I already had bitch tits, which were actually benine tumors, so they removed the whole gland and all, so I was fortunate enough not to have to worry about gyno, especially progesterone induced gyno.

I ran 2mgs of Adex ed throughout the cycle to try and keep water rentention down to a bare minimum, and the proviron helped with that as well. After the month of HCG, I did a round of clomid and novla, for a month and continued the GH as well.

So when all was said and done, I had gained roughly 45-50lbs, and after all the bloat, went away 35lbs of that stayed of rock hard muscle. I began the cycle at around 240-245, went up to almost 300lbs, and ended up at 276lbs, at roughly 8-10% bf. Which for me Is absolutely amazing, since I have very poor genetics, I gain weight by looking at food. And for the first time in my life I had abs, or at least the out line of them, and bicep veins that were like rigatoni.

My arms were just shy of 22"
calves were 19"
waist was 36"
Chest was almost 60 Inches"

I remember going to clubs and the bouncers fucking around with me or not asked me please not to get into any type of brawl, I was telling girls I was pro football player. One night we went out for my girls bday, and the guy at the door thought I played for a local team, and we walked right in the club with a line of 100 something people waiting in subzero weather all waiting to see Paul Van Dyke, spinning that night.

Unfortunatly, I'll probable never be able to achieve that ever again, due to a series of massive bar brawls, ya know the assholes who wanna say hey check out the juice bag, and they confront me and have their eye socket crushed. And with so many fractures to the hands, and dislocating my shoulder a number of times, mix that with arthritis, which they believe now is rheumatoid, and probably is since its spreading through every joint in my body. And the grand winner of them all a bar fight that spilled ou into the street, and a guy caught me with a hay maker out of nowhere and I went flying intol the street, and was hit by a fucking taxi.

So Im sadly stuck on pain meds, and limited to what I can grip, how far I can press without the shoulder giving, or even walking for maybe a mile or so before I have to break out the cane. Im a man in my 30's with the body aligments of an 80 year old. But honestly it aint so bad, it makes for great conversation, the gladiator days and the women eat it up, and in return I do the favor

That was some long post, and if you read it all the way down to here, thanks for listening to my glory days gone by, cause now its time for my daily jog/walk/hobble with my cane..lol

RR

Lastly, I could have pumped a gallon of shit into my system and nothing would have happened if I had dedicated to training properly, training with people who could train properly, and its all about the diet. Gotta get at least 6 meals in a day, even if you have to wake ur ass up at 2am and chug a protein shake. Without the calories and the protein and the right supplements, none of that wouldnt have done anything more than turn my into a gigantic balloon of water and fat had I stayed on my ass, and not broke my ass to achieve the greatest Ive ever looked.

And for the mods, I hope its Ok that I mentioned past use and what was used, because I would never violate any laws because its illegal today to purchase these things. My test comes from doc, and bless his heart for his weekly dose of 300mgs a week, because without it, my levels are below 100ng/nl. Thats what happens when you dont do proper PCT, or start at 16-17 yrs old and continue to do so for 20 yrs
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great story!
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